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Old 06-12-2006, 08:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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b18c1 cams

ok im starting to build my 95 gsr, i allready have the basics i/e/h and sometype of chip that came in the car suposibly mugen. i was looking to get the crower stage 2 street/strip cams with their valve springs/retainer kit. ok first question is do i have to change/ reprogram my ecu after the cam install? also is there anything else that i should change while i have the engine open? how hard is the install? i do all my own work but never opened my engine up before so im alittle unsure. any words of advice would be apreciated

and finally after all is said and done what would be the next step for my allmoto setup?
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Old 06-12-2006, 09:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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or if you would recomond a different cam such as skunk2 stage 2
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Old 06-12-2006, 09:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Skunk2 Stage 2 isnt really a stage 2. By all other company's measurements, its really a stage 4. Theyre MASSIVE. Theyre bigger than Crower's stage 3.

Im using Crowers 63403 Stage 3 cams in my B18C1. For these cams, they recommend springs and retainers, and a bump in compression. I was initially looking for a Stage 1 or 2 cam, but found these for $200 shipped, and couldnt pass it up. Since I was already putting in B16 pistons and a Spoon head gasket, the compression was already there. These cams can be run without a compression bump, but it is strongly recommended. After that, I needed springs and retainers.

Regardless of what cams you get, i would HIGHLY recommend that you buy retainers that come with their own keepers. Most aftermarket companies utilize the OEM keepers, which have been known to fail or pull through the retainer. When this happens, you drop a valve, and BYEBYE engine. Supertech retainers have done this to a few people i know, and the damage was NOT pretty. To prevent this, replace the OEM keepers with aftermarket ones. You have to buy the retainers with the keepers, you cant mix and match. Unfortunatly, the only companies out there (that I know of) that make their own keepers are Ferrea and Manley. Ferrea is CRAZY expensive, so i went with Manley retainers and keepers (good up to and over 700whp) for $250. I think REV is working on their own keepers, but i dont think theyre out yet.

As far as valvesprings, the manufacturer doesnt really matter- you can mix match springs and retainers. Im running Manley retainers and Supertech springs, because supertech was the cheapest i found, at $159 shipped.


To be perfectly honest, I believe in a "do it once, do it right," kind of philosophy. Dont go with a stage 1 cam if youre going to want to upgrade later. Youll buy the cams for $700 and sell for $350. Set your goal in HP numbers or 1/4 mile time, and work for it. If youre looking to break 200whp, then bottom end work is your next step. Forged internals, hi comp pistons, etc. My goal was 200whp, or 13.9 1/4 mile. Either would be fine for me. I havent yet put the motor in my car, but i should be VERY close. Whatever you end up doing, youll want to make sure your head can handle what your bottom end is doing, and visa versa. Huge cams and low compression doesnt do much, and similarly- hi compression and OEM cams wont help much either. Build your top and bottom ends in syncronization.
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$500's not bad, but I still paid $200 shipped for mine.
where??? god please let me know
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Honda Tech. I got a hell of a deal on mine, but ive seen them elsewhere as low as $300 shipped. For great deals, forums are your BEST friend.

Although, I did get my B18C longblock for $800 at my shop.
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