mild all motor setup

[knuckk]

how much hp do you guys think i can make with this setup

-p&p b16 head
-ITR cams
-skunk2 valvetrain
-ITR block stock
-b16 tranny
-edelbrock victor x intake manifold
-apexi ws2 exhaust setup
-6 puck clutch act kit
-chrome tuned.


im trying to reach the 200whp mark what else can i add to get to that mark?

[Sirfallsalot243]

To get 200whp youll need at LEAST:

A good quality header (not DC Sports)
A good tune (hondata, crome, aem, etc)
A bigger exhaust (WS2 is 2.3" you need at least 2.5")
Id also look into an upgraded clutch.

[knuckk]

can't i just get bigger piping and get it to fit some how ? & what kind of headers should i get i want to get race headers but i don't know what kind i should get

[Sirfallsalot243]

Originally Posted by knuckk

can't i just get bigger piping and get it to fit some how ?

I dont know what car you have, so i cant make any specific recommendations, but you have a few options:

But a complete 2.5" catback. This is the best option, because everything will be mandrel bent and welded with quality welds. Its also the most expensive option.

Another option is to buy custom 2.5" mandrel bent piping from kteller, and weld on a muffler and resonator of your choice. This requires paying someone to do all the welding, which can run from cheap (Meineke, mig welds) to expensive (custom metal fab shop, tig welding). How much you want to spend is up to you, but plan on around $500. Thats what I spent on my catback.

The third option is to have a muffler shop custom bend you an exhaust. This will probably be relatively cheap, but the piping will be crush bent, and wont flow as well. Id avoid this option- you really want something mandrel bent.

And the final option is to use custom piping, or pre-bent piping with your current muffler. This is better than nothing, but your current muffler is still only 2.3", where you really want something 2.5" all the way through. Creating a bottleneck (gets smaller towards the end of the exhaust) will hinder the exhaust flow.

If you can afford it, a Hytech 4-2-1 Tri-Y header would be pretty much the best option for a header, however they run about $1000. A low budget alternative is a Hytech replica header, which can be had as low as $350 new. The problem with them is that some dont fit very well, but can be modified to fit. I bought a used Rage (hytech replica) header for $250, and it works as well as the real deal. Mine fit without any problems.

The best option for a catback would be a Hytech or SMSP catback ($1000+). Since those are very expensive, you can go with one of the options i listed above. The main thing is that it is 2.5" all the way through with mandrel bent piping. Muffler style is up to you- there are 3 BASIC types:

Straight through- best flowing, but also the loudest. This is an N1 style canister, or a 'fart can.' Theyre loud, but flow really well.

Twin loop- quietest, but there is some debate about their flow characteristics. I have a twin loop, and its WAY WAY quieter than my old Apexi N1, and seems to flow pretty well.

Chambered- kind of a compromise between twin loop and straight through id say. Medium loudness, but with good flow still. Your current muffler is chambered.

[kommon_sense]

Get rid of that 6-puck. Way too much clutch for that setup. Unless you plan to drag race and intend to dump the clutch a lot.

[knuckk]

its going in a EJ8 i do drop the clutch alot for when i street race

[MQTGSR]

^^^^^ oh god, not another ricer........

Please don't street race

[knuckk]

Originally Posted by MQTGSR

^^^^^ oh god, not another ricer........

Please don't street race

umm yeah im trying to hit the 200whp mark with that setup anyone else have any ideas

[sleeper15]

Originally Posted by knuckk

how much hp do you guys think i can make with this setup

-p&p b16 head
-ITR cams
-skunk2 valvetrain
-ITR block stock
-b16 tranny
-edelbrock victor x intake manifold
-apexi ws2 exhaust setup
-6 puck clutch act kit
-chrome tuned.


im trying to reach the 200whp mark what else can i add to get to that mark?

Well, here some more things you'll need:

larger fuel injectors
high comp pistons
better fuel pump
good tuning computer (i still need one myself)
lighten flywheel
MSD ignition system (not really needed, but, it made my car rev alot smoother)
fuel pressure regulator

ANd there are some others too, but it's not coming to me. I know it took alot of work for me to get my ride to hit 201whp, but, when it did, it wouldn't hold an idle cause of the cam timing. Also, don't street race please.

[knuckk]

Originally Posted by sleeper15

Well, here some more things you'll need:

larger fuel injectors
high comp pistons
better fuel pump
good tuning computer (i still need one myself)
lighten flywheel
MSD ignition system (not really needed, but, it made my car rev alot smoother)
fuel pressure regulator

ANd there are some others too, but it's not coming to me. I know it took alot of work for me to get my ride to hit 201whp, but, when it did, it wouldn't hold an idle cause of the cam timing. Also, don't street race please.

ill look into bigger fuel injectors n better fuel pump and fuel regulator and the lighten flywheel but i really dont want to use high comp pistons.

what fuel injectors do you guys think would be best

[MQTGSR]

You could use a thinner head gasket to raise compression. Any particular reason you don't want higher comp. pistons? To make N/A power you need high compression and good flowing characteristics.

[sleeper15]

Originally Posted by knuckk

ill look into bigger fuel injectors n better fuel pump and fuel regulator and the lighten flywheel but i really dont want to use high comp pistons.

what fuel injectors do you guys think would be best

I reccomend R/C 310cc injectors, cause thats what i'm using. And, you will need high compresion pistons to get power for a N/A motor. A thinner head gasket will rasie the compersion ratio, but, i'm not a big fan of using thin headgaskets. I'm running 11.5:1 ratio myself. And thats still safe for pump gas. Anything past 12:1 and your asking for detination and pinging. N/A is such a hard way to build power, but i like it like that.

And, if all this sounds like its to much for 200whp, then just slap on a turbo or supercharger. But, thats cheating.

[knuckk]

Originally Posted by sleeper15

I reccomend R/C 310cc injectors, cause thats what i'm using. And, you will need high compression pistons to get power for a N/A motor. A thinner head gasket will raise the compersion ratio, but, i'm not a big fan of using thin head gaskets. I'm running 11.5:1 ratio myself. And thats still safe for pump gas. Anything past 12:1 and your asking for detination and pinging. N/A is such a hard way to build power, but i like it like that.

And, if all this sounds like its to much for 200whp, then just slap on a turbo or supercharger. But, thats cheating.

thats one reason why i didn't wanna go N/A because of the gas i'm not trying to go past 12:1 for my compression i want to be able to pump 89 gas or 87 gas when i need too so if i used high compression pistons i might as well get CTR pistons and a ls block i don't necessarily need to get a itr block

[sleeper15]

Well, at 11.5:1, i was pinging at 89 octane. So, you're SOL my friend for using anything less then 92. I get the most power (and with out hurting the engine) you will need to run premium octane.

[kommon_sense]

Originally Posted by knuckk

thats one reason why i didn't wanna go N/A because of the gas i'm not trying to go past 12:1 for my compression i want to be able to pump 89 gas or 87 gas when i need too so if i used high compression pistons i might as well get CTR pistons and a ls block i don't necessarily need to get a itr block

higher cr n/a or boost will require premium gas. Its an extra $1-2 per fill-up, so don't see why there would be a concern with having to run premium.