PRO's/CON's of H22A

[datanTOOLman]

Thinking of swapping something into my 95 civic and was wondering why more people dont opt for the H22A1 instead of the B-series?? Looking at the cost and what you get as far as HP/TQ goes the H22A1 is by far the more powerfull motor. So there must be something about this swap that i dont know because i can get a complete H22A1 swap for a little over 2k, but to get the same hp/tq #'s from a B-series im going to spend 3500-5k......somebody please help me out here.

[PR_TR]

Originally Posted by datanTOOLman

Thinking of swapping something into my 95 civic and was wondering why more people dont opt for the H22A1 instead of the B-series?? Looking at the cost and what you get as far as HP/TQ goes the H22A1 is by far the more powerfull motor. So there must be something about this swap that i dont know because i can get a complete H22A1 swap for a little over 2k, but to get the same hp/tq #'s from a B-series im going to spend 3500-5k......somebody please help me out here.

most people go with a b-series for a civic because it's doesn't weigh as much as a h22a... H22a is a brick compared to a b18c5 (example) but it's a good idea to swap a h22a into a civic just be sure to work with the suspension abit to even out the weight sense a h22a is heavier then a b-series...

Hoped this helped

[datanTOOLman]

Originally Posted by PR_TR

most people go with a b-series for a civic because it's doesn't weigh as much as a h22a... H22a is a brick compared to a b18c5 (example) but it's a good idea to swap a h22a into a civic just be sure to work with the suspension abit to even out the weight sense a h22a is heavier then a b-series...

Hoped this helped

Makes sense...what are the weak points of the H22a??? I mean as far as the most HP it can handle on a daily basis??

[PR_TR]

Originally Posted by datanTOOLman

Makes sense...what are the weak points of the H22a??? I mean as far as the most HP it can handle on a daily basis??

people say it's a bitch to boost thats why if your plannin to boost you'd rather try using a H23a for that type of application but other then that its reliable...

I forgot to mention h22a is a bitch to swap into a civic because of its size..

[Prelude92Si]

It can handle pretty much as much as u wana throw at it, and as far as u feel comfortable driving it as a daily driver. i mean u can go forced induction and build it and as much as u want the skys the limit. You can go naturally aspirtaed with stock internals and good bolt ons and maybe some cams and throw down around 225 or 230 with a decent tune. all depends on what kind of setup u plan on having. persay ur going to do the same mods to a h22 and a b series the H series responds better to mods as far as ive seen. this is somewhat because the b series being smaller from the factory and trying to get it to produce alot of hp from a smaller displacement motor they have to (modify) it from the factory. the h series is just a 2.2 dohc big block of honda basically built with alot of room for improvment.. i hope i helped ya and didnt confuse you.

[JDubsLoPro]

also...expect the oil pan to sit much lower. most civic h22 swaps switch over to a lower profile oil pan to add clearance...but you lose oil cooling capacity this way...mounts and tranny conversions are also much more of a pain--the m2y4 and m2b4 trans that come with h22s have cable actuated shifters and the cables kinda suck...much less definition than having solid shift linkage. you can go with an h2b tranny conversion kit from hasport which allows use of a bseries tranny...

b series (b18c in particular) are already fairly well built from the factory and you may not see much improvement from your basic bolt ons...for $5k you could have a type r swap though...that'd be more fun than an h22. expect to pay more for having the labor done for the swap of the h22 because there is much more work that goes into it. b-series is a weekend project.

[5thgenBOSSMAN]

My buddy is a certified Honda Tech, he went with the b16 (si) in his 97 Civic EX, he considered an H22, but he didnt, he says the added size of the h22 limits the steering throw of a civic, and there is no mod around it. true it only matters when close to full lock on steering wheel, which you will prolly only see in parking lots, but that is a problem I wouldnt want to touch either. the B16, and I think the b18 are both DOHC Vtec, which is a great platform, even if you plan to boost. and they were made for civics among other cars like the accord. I would stick with one of those, and so did my roomate, his b16 makes 170+ hp with only an AEM V2 C/A intake and straightpipe exhaust. which is awesome on a 2400lb car. (I think that is the weight of a 97 civic ex) correct me if Im wrong. the only problem is the shitty 96ftlb of torque it produces, vs the 165ft lb a bone stock 97 prelude makes

[PR_TR]

Originally Posted by 5thgenBOSSMAN

My buddy is a certified Honda Tech, he went with the b16 (si) in his 97 Civic EX, he considered an H22, but he didnt, he says the added size of the h22 limits the steering throw of a civic, and there is no mod around it. true it only matters when close to full lock on steering wheel, which you will prolly only see in parking lots, but that is a problem I wouldnt want to touch either. the B16, and I think the b18 are both DOHC Vtec, which is a great platform, even if you plan to boost. and they were made for civics among other cars like the accord. I would stick with one of those, and so did my roomate, his b16 makes 170+ hp with only an AEM V2 C/A intake and straightpipe exhaust. which is awesome on a 2400lb car. (I think that is the weight of a 97 civic ex) correct me if Im wrong. the only problem is the shitty 96ftlb of torque it produces, vs the 165ft lb a bone stock 97 prelude makes

yes most b series are Dohc Vtec engine except the ls. and a b16 is only worth it when your car is bascially is very light... i say this because even if you have a bit more weight on the car then the engine could handle your back to square 1. Correct me if im wrong on this one

[Prelude92Si]

some of that is correct but think the 97ftlbs that makes the prelude motor makes 100 mor ethen that BONE Stock hp is great and all but what u really feel is the motor and its torque. so in my opinino ur going to add weight yes BUT ur also getting 100 ftlbs more to push that much more weight my f22b dohc weighed 387 lbs with everyithing on it the stock intake and exaust and the acc. tranny was 90 i think so ur lookin at 477 lbs that makes alot more torque then that b series and is better responding to mods and the h22 just always felt more potent then a b series and thats not just a biased opinoin i love all hondas just my 2 cents.

[gansedrifto1]

Originally Posted by PR_TR

people say it's a bitch to boost thats why if your plannin to boost you'd rather try using a H23a for that type of application but other then that its reliable...

I forgot to mention h22a is a bitch to swap into a civic because of its size..

wth!!!!... h22 isnt a bitch to boost, and that question depends against which motor your comparing it too... just to let you know... the lower the compression... the easier to boost ( not always necessarily so, but in theory, thats how it goes) on a different note... unfortunately there are some major cons... especially if you are doing a swap... say bye bye to handling... cause you wont see the 50/50 weight distribution you are going to be looking for. ... but it will be hella fast


pros: big motor ( for honda), big displacement, probably the most torque compared to most other hondas out there.
cons: tranny ( definitley needs a 6th gear... 5th is too long... might even need a 7th IMO), heavy engine, relatively low compression ( for me)... i know there is some more... but i cant think

[PR_TR]

Originally Posted by gansedrifto1

wth!!!!... h22 isnt a bitch to boost, and that question depends against which motor your comparing it too... just to let you know... the lower the compression... the easier to boost ( not always necessarily so, but in theory, thats how it goes) on a different note... unfortunately there are some major cons... especially if you are doing a swap... say bye bye to handling... cause you wont see the 50/50 weight distribution you are going to be looking for. ... but it will be hella fast


pros: big motor ( for honda), big displacement, probably the most torque compared to most other hondas out there.
cons: tranny ( definitley needs a 6th gear... 5th is too long... might even need a 7th IMO), heavy engine, relatively low compression ( for me)... i know there is some more... but i cant think

i kno about the whole compression but thats why i said I HEAR i've never had a h22a or even tried to boost one thats why i said that I HEARD its a bitch to boost. And for the weight distribution it can be improved by upgrading suspension in most cases... or am i wrong

and to and to your cons the 3-4k that you would pay to buy and boost a b-series is what will be paid to swap a h22a in a civic unless your doing the swap yourself

[JDubsLoPro]

If you swap an H22...consider yourself to have a decent drag car pulling 13s all day long. Bseries won't get you down the 1/4 mile as quick, but your handling will remain unchanged, and it'll power out of the turns much quicker. So it all depends on which style of driving you prefer...

[Prelude92Si]

the handling can be changed and made actually better with a good suspension setup. i know my "heavy" 92 with the f22b DOHC out handles any civic that ive came across stock for stock so the weight doesnt hurt it much at all. in the other point the h22 will power itself out of the corners trust me they have enough torque to pulll a light ass car out of anything. just go use a 1/4 mile calculator granted it has ALOT of variables but use the hp and tq of the b series and the weight of the car and then use the H series numbers ull be much more impressed so the h22 will like stated above keep u runing 13's all day long and maybe with the complete bolt on and cams u might even drop in the 12's with a good setup in both engine and suspension. why go a little bigger when u can have the big block of the honda. it just makes more sence to me another thing the b seies doesnt make that much power untill its in high rpms and thats pretty much where it accels at. the h however has AWSOME low end and some kick ass top end also. I beat a 92 hatch with a B16 with port and polished head and cams with my 92 prelude SI 5 spd with f22B DOHC with I/H/E and computer

[PR_TR]

Originally Posted by JDubsLoPro

If you swap an H22...consider yourself to have a decent drag car pulling 13s all day long. Bseries won't get you down the 1/4 mile as quick, but your handling will remain unchanged, and it'll power out of the turns much quicker. So it all depends on which style of driving you prefer...

with a couple bolt-ons, chipped ecu, a good tune and weight reduction i think he could do better the 13s

[bizaar prelude]

If you plan on dragging this car than yeah it is awesome. I did the swap wasnt really that hard at all. But the handling is terrible. The oil pan does sit very low.But very fun to drive. B series easy install and good driving and smoother.