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Old 09-13-2004, 02:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ford Orders Stop Shipment Of 2005 Mustand & GT becuase of defects

Sources at one of Ford's engine plants told BlueOvalNews that Ford Motor Company has instructed assembly plants to stop shipping certain 2005 model year vehicles because they can contain defective 4.6L or 5.4L engines. BlueOvalNews was first altered to the problem after we received a news tip at the end of August.
The products that can contain the defective engines include the 2005 Ford Mustang GT, 2005 F-Series, 2005 F-Series Super Duty, Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator. Ford has instructed the assembly plants to stop shipping vehicles until they are screened to see if they contain the defective engines. It is not known if any products were shipped to consumers before the problem was noticed.

The 2005 model year 4.6L and 5.4L engines in question were built with defective cylinder heads. According to sources, the defective cylinder heads will have an adverse effect on performance and will cause the engine to fail to meet Ford's specifications.

It's not immediately clear if Ford will replace the entire engine at the assembly plant or just replace the defective cylinder heads and approve the vehicle for shipment to customers.

A Team Mustang source told BlueOvalNews that a stop shipment order means that Ford won't ship GT Mustangs to dealers, but it doesn't mean that Ford will stop building Mustangs - they can still build V6 powered models until problems with the 4.6L engines are corrected. Further, even though Ford officially launched JOB1 of the Mustang today, shipments don't occur immediately. "Somewhere within two weeks after Job #1 we have an OK to ship meeting where all the upper management on the program proclaim the vehicle is OK to ship. . . .launching a new vehicle in a new plant can have its issues. That's just part of what a launch is all about.", said our source.

In what could prove to be the most devesting news; however, is that the Ford GT "40" is alleged to have cylinder heads that contain defects in the combustion chamber pocket area. According to sources, Ford is allegedly making design changes to the cylinder head and will create a new casting which is targeted for release by 01 January 2005. Rather than issue a recall for the Ford GT, Ford would most likely issue a TSB (technical service bulletin) and repair the vehicles only as needed. Look for an update on the GT heads at a later date.

http://www.blueovalnews.com/2004/pla...ve07sept04.htm

dont know how reliable this is.
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Sounds like a costly recall...
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well what matters is they recall it before anyone get hurt....
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1) Mustangs don't even ship for another couple of weeks, so i don't know how the shipments would be stopped since they never started . Same with the 2005 F-150's. They too haven't shipped yet. Again, there never was a shipment to stop.
2) Robert Lane himself admitted that the Ford GT problem is nothing but a rumor.

To sum up, take everything you see on Blue-oval news with a grain of salt. Guy is holding a grudge against ford for firing him years back, and a lot of his stuff and sources are questionable. He used to have tons of ground-breaking news on Ford, and was one of the guys to make the 99 Cobra Hp problems public, but he hasn't had anything worth reading in a very long time. Now-a-days, his site is viewed as a tabloid.
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1) Mustangs don't even ship for another couple of weeks, so i don't know how the shipments would be stopped since they never started . Same with the 2005 F-150's. They too haven't shipped yet. Again, there never was a shipment to stop.
2) Robert Lane himself admitted that the Ford GT problem is nothing but a rumor.

To sum up, take everything you see on Blue-oval news with a grain of salt. Guy is holding a grudge against ford for firing him years back, and a lot of his stuff and sources are questionable. He used to have tons of ground-breaking news on Ford, and was one of the guys to make the 99 Cobra Hp problems public, but he hasn't had anything worth reading in a very long time. Now-a-days, his site is viewed as a tabloid.
Could it be they had to recall the vehicles from forward distribution areas back to they ponit of original manufactoring? Just brainstorming what the possibilities could be.

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Much better to stop shipment and not sell a defective product. I see that Ford is learning from past mistakes and not shipping a bad product. In the past I bet they would have shipped and then fixed em as they broke.

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yes, that might be true. but we can never really prove this authentic or not, since ford did this before everything went out (unless we have insider info).

for some reason i dont doubt this incident. its not a major problem, i dont see any gained by blueoval making this up. anyway, their credibility is unknown.

i went ahead and did some double check, i tried to get the TSB for the GT, but its the GT isnt even listed on and TSB bulletin yet. so i cant prove anything yet.

did you hear the one about toyota buying shares of ford? hahaha
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Could it be they had to recall the vehicles from forward distribution areas back to they ponit of original manufactoring? Just brainstorming what the possibilities could be.

Thanks for the inste on the "Blue-Ovel News" dOOd.
I don't know since i don't know of their distribution processes, etc... All i have heard is that shipment has yet to start, and that Ford is taking a lot of steps to make sure the product is defective free before the official launch date. With that said, the article claims that shipment has been stopped, when in reality, shipment has yet to start. So the whole thing is a big question mark.

What we do know.
1) Shipment has not started on F-150 and Mustang.
2) The Ford GT problems pointed out in that article are nothing more than rumors. So this guys (Robert Lane) source is questionable, which makes the whole thing questionable.

So i'd just take it with a grain of salt.
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yes, that might be true. but we can never really prove this authentic or not, since ford did this before everything went out (unless we have insider info).
True on us not really knowing the facts behind this case since nothing really is official. It could be real, and it could also be fake. At this stage, we don't have a real clear picture.

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for some reason i dont doubt this incident. its not a major problem, i dont see any gained by blueoval making this up. anyway, their credibility is unknown.
Guy is an ex-employee with Ford Motor Co, and there definitely is some bad blood between the two. So can some of his motives be questioned? Given their history I think Yes. This article is certainly getting lots of publicity though whether it turns out to be factual or BS rumor. I don't think the article is 100% Bs. I think there may be some truth to it, but the technicalities I question. He has been wrong in the past and has even been sued. As someone in another board i frequent mentioned, he puts in just enough facts so as not to get sued by Ford. Hence the “tabloid” label stuck to him and his site. So like the saying goes, take what he says with a grain of salt.

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i went ahead and did some double check, i tried to get the TSB for the GT, but its the GT isnt even listed on and TSB bulletin yet. so i cant prove anything yet.
Guess we’ll know sooner or later. Again, this is something you’d take with a grain of salt for the time being.

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did you hear the one about toyota buying shares of ford? hahaha
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Today’s the day Toyota Motor Co.p. is supposed to announce plans to buy Ford Motor Co.

Or buy 20 percent of Ford.

Or buy Ford of Europe.

Or buy Ford’s Wixom Assembly plant.

Or take a 45 percent stake in Visteon, Ford’s once-and-former supplier.

But none of these are true, both companies say emphatically. Like the Orson Welles-concocted “War of the Worlds” radio broadcast that panicked a nation, the Internet-fueled Toyota takeover rumor mill has rattled many who care about Ford, the auto industry and the future of Detroit.

From assembly line hands and white-collar engineers to Ford retirees and big-time auto dealers, the back channels are buzzing with, “Have you heard ...?”

Maybe it started with an innocuous (but, in retrospect, sinister) question, posted 3:33 a.m. Aug. 24 on www.blueovalnews.com's message board. It asked, “Any idea as to what the big announcement is going to be about?” The avalanche of speculation keeps coming.

Maybe fears grew when line workers heard something “big” was coming, and the big thing turned out to be the late-year production cuts announced Wednesday.

But by the time Ford (and GM) confirmed the cutbacks, the chatterers had embellished their line with talk of a special Ford board meeting this week that didn’t happen because it didn’t need to.

Maybe it’s all this recent talk about Toyota looking for land to expand its technical center in Washtenaw County. Or that Gov. Jennifer Granholm is pushing the Legislature to make sure Toyota gets the land it wants, so she can claim credit for landing hundreds of next-century auto jobs.

Or maybe the metastasizing rumors are evidence of Detroit’s anxiety about a creeping foreign domination of its hometown industry. Combine that with too many people with too much time using the power and pervasiveness of the Internet to spout off and what you get is a lot of half-cocked blather that doesn’t pass the “does-it-make-sense” test.

Ford says — repeatedly, but not for attribution, because it doesn’t want to acknowledge the rumors by responding to them — that there’s nothing to any of this. Yet the rumors grew so intense as the week passed that by Wednesday the company published a story on its internal Web site headlined, “Growing Use of Internet Publishing Brings New Challenges to Business.”

“Thanks — and sometimes, no thanks — to the Internet, everyone’s a publisher now,” the internal article said. “And that’s creating new challenges for companies like Ford, political campaigns and anyone else in the public eye.

“The disadvantage of the Internet is that rumors can be published electronically that don’t pass anyone’s journalistic standard. Such rumors can proliferate rapidly and create headaches for those who are charged with managing the news.”

Ford should know, given the cultural propensity of some inside for trafficking in farfetched rumors when their time would be better spent focusing on building better cars and trucks.

Toyota dismisses the takeover talk with a generic strategy statement and a hint of bemusement. Japan’s No. 1 automaker has no intention “to acquire another auto company,” according to a Toyota spokesman in New York. “Our intention is to work from the ground up.”

For evidence of the contention, look around — in the United States, in Canada, in Britain, France and in eastern Europe.

Toyota doesn’t acquire auto companies or brands, it creates them (think Lexus and Scion), or it crafts limited joint ventures with rivals (think the engine deal with PSA-Peugeot in the Czech Republic or the NUMMI plant partnership with General Motors in California).

Toyota doesn’t buy old auto plants in the UAW stronghold of Metro Detroit. It builds new, state-of-the-art plants in the fields of Indiana, the valleys of West Virginia and the arid hills outside San Antonio. And it recruits new, younger workforces untainted by the old habits of the UAW.

Toyota has made, oh, about $18 billion in net profits over just the past two years (roughly 80 percent of it from American wallets). Its market share is growing in the rich U.S. market, growing in Europe and playing catch-up, Toyota-style, in China. What would it gain by owning any piece of Ford, aside from a furious political backlash and the mother of all culture clashes?

None of this, however, seems to register with the rumormongers. Why should it when the fun apparently is in spreading the rumor and making people squirm — like the 31-year-old mother who works at Ford’s Dearborn Truck plant and signed her e-mail to me, “The Worried Worker.”

“Rumors are flying everywhere about a Ford-Toyota or a Ford-Honda merger,” she wrote. “It would be devastating to the Motor City.”

Yes, it would. But it doesn’t account for why Toyota does what it does so well and it doesn’t account for Ford Chairman Bill Ford Jr., the Ford Family, its controlling stake in Henry Ford’s auto company and the family’s commitment to keeping Ford independent — until further notice.

This is a chairman whose corporate cash hoard is roughly $26 billion and who would sooner burn down the Glass House than sell it to Toyota or Honda or, God forbid, General Motors. This is a family that still takes its responsibility to its home and its employees seriously, even if others don’t.

Daniel Howes’s column appears Sundays, Wednesdays and Fridays. He can be reached at (313) 222-2106 or at dchowes@ detnews.com. Catch him Fridays with Paul W. Smith on NewsTalk760-WJR.
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