Toyota's recent investment in Subaru parent Fuji Heavy Industries will pay off for the bigger company almost immediately, as the two companies have agreed to build Toyotas in the underused Subaru plant in West Lafayette, Ind. Wire reports indicate that the companies could begin building Camry sedans in the plant by the end of next year. Subaru will also send a technical team to Toyota for the development of a new vehicle, the Dow Jones Newswires adds. In addition Toyota is said to be in a search for locations for a new engine plant and a new assembly plant. The states of Michigan and Arkansas are said to be in the running for the new facilities, but no timeline has been confirmed.
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Interesting. I'm also interested on the type of vehicle the Subaru technical team will be developing for Toyota. I bet it'll be AWD given Subaru's AWD expertise and background, and hopefully it'll be compact and turbocharged. I'd like to see the Celica return, especially in All-trac form.
Interesting. I'm also interested on the type of vehicle the Subaru technical team will be developing for Toyota. I bet it'll be AWD given Subaru's AWD expertise and background, and hopefully it'll be compact and turbocharged. I'd like to see the Celica return, especially in All-trac form.
i dont think toyota want to steal some of subaru AWD share market. just realized that most toyota car in US dont have AWD while in japan and other countries you still can get AWD cars.
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i dont think toyota want to steal some of subaru AWD share market. just realized that most toyota car in US dont have AWD while in japan and other countries you still can get AWD cars.
I'm just saying, why else would Toyota need Subaru's technical team to develop a vehicle for them? Only thing i can think up of is a development of an AWD system/car because that's where Subaru's expertise and design/build experience falls under.
See what i'm getting at?
I'm sure Toyota has AWD cars overseas, but there are differences in AWD systems. Maybe subaru's systems are better. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case cause AWD is kinda Subaru's forte.
I'm just saying, why else would Toyota need Subaru's technical team to develop a vehicle for them? Only thing i can think up of is a development of an AWD system/car because that's where Subaru's expertise and design/build experience falls under.
See what i'm getting at?
I'm sure Toyota has AWD cars overseas, but there are differences in AWD systems. Maybe subaru's systems are better. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case cause AWD is kinda Subaru's forte.
fuji heavy industry hybrid battery??? i heard it last longer than toyota current hybrid batteries.
toyota did mention that all their cars are not compatible with subaru technologies in engine or transmission drive. they have diff platform design etc2.
oh also forgot about hybrid cars since toyota need to make more hybrid cars and right now they dont have the capacity to make hybrid car they could build it there. rather than opening new factory.
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fuji heavy industry hybrid battery??? i heard it last longer than toyota current hybrid batteries.
toyota did mention that all their cars are not compatible with subaru technologies in engine or transmission drive. they have diff platform design etc2.
oh also forgot about hybrid cars since toyota need to make more hybrid cars and right now they dont have the capacity to make hybrid car they could build it there. rather than opening new factory.
You missed my point. Subaru's technical team is being sent over to Toyota to develope a car for Toyota. Not a hybrid cause Subaru doesn't have hybrids of their own. Not the batteries cause Subaru themselves don't supply the batteries. I know about toyota needing extra capacity, but that still has nothing to do with a Subaru technical team developing a vehicle for Toyota.
I'm just curious as to what type of vehicle a Subaru technical team would be developing for Toyota, or why Toyota felt the need to have a Subaru tech team aid in the development of a new vehicle for them when they could very well do it themselves (and probably done a better job too).
That is the million dollar question.
Again, i think they called upon the Subaru tech team because of their Awd knowhow. That is the one single thing Subaru does and builds best. And Toyota is probably having them on the development team for that reason. That would be the only reason that i could think of. If anyone else has a better reason, feel free to post, but this is the only reason that comes to mind really.
You missed my point. Subaru's technical team is being sent over to Toyota to develope a car for Toyota. Not a hybrid cause Subaru doesn't have hybrids of their own. Not the batteries cause Subaru themselves don't supply the batteries. I know about toyota needing extra capacity, but that still has nothing to do with a Subaru technical team developing a vehicle for Toyota.
I'm just curious as to what type of vehicle a Subaru technical team would be developing for Toyota, or why Toyota felt the need to have a Subaru tech team aid in the development of a new vehicle for them when they could very well do it themselves (and probably done a better job too).
That is the million dollar question.
Again, i think they called upon the Subaru tech team because of their Awd knowhow. That is the one single thing Subaru does and builds best. And Toyota is probably having them on the development team for that reason. That would be the only reason that i could think of. If anyone else has a better reason, feel free to post, but this is the only reason that comes to mind really.
yeah but other than AWD... boxer engine? toyota dont have that right? turbo technologies? i know toyota have turbo cars but not as extreme as subaru's cars.
but if i know toyota i still bet it must have to do with their hybrid craze stuff. camry hybrid ? subaru did make a hybrid concept too so they also have some hybrid knowledge. eventhough toyota have experience in making and selling hybrid, some advise from subaru tech wouldnt hurt right?
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yeah but other than AWD... boxer engine? toyota dont have that right? turbo technologies? i know toyota have turbo cars but not as extreme as subaru's cars.
but if i know toyota i still bet it must have to do with their hybrid craze stuff. camry hybrid ? subaru did make a hybrid concept too so they also have some hybrid knowledge. eventhough toyota have experience in making and selling hybrid, some advise from subaru tech wouldnt hurt right?
Toyota is like the king/expert of hybrids, they would not go to other companies for technical assistance on hybrids. Other companies come to them for their hybrid tech and knowhow, so that can't be it imo.
Boxer engine is a strong possibility, but i still think it's something that's more integral to the car....something more complex....something like the AWD system.
wasn't toyota working with Nissan on next gen hybrid technology and fuel cells? it could be subbey's AWD know how but toyota is no stranger to AWD systems. can't be turbo engines since toyota probably know more about forced induction than Subbey. probably working on next gen celica/corolla platforms, remember the WRC corolla and Celica All-Trac?
i dont think toyota want to steal some of subaru AWD share market. just realized that most toyota car in US dont have AWD while in japan and other countries you still can get AWD cars.
AWD isnt special anymore. almost every car company offers it now, except toyota.
the main reason is probably AWD. toyota is probably trying to figure out an AWD system for a sedan.
boxter engine would be out of Toyota's company philosophy. i highly doubt that they are working on that. if anything, subby will benefit from toyota expertise in small engines.
i dont think Honda will work with anyone anytime soon. Honda didnt budge when all the auto manufacturers were mergering and buying each other shares in the 90's, i dont think theyll do it now. Toyota is trying to beat out GM and Ford, so they are on a frenzy right to go out and partner/buy out other people to keep up the expansion and sales.
You missed my point. Subaru's technical team is being sent over to Toyota to develope a car for Toyota. Not a hybrid cause Subaru doesn't have hybrids of their own. Not the batteries cause Subaru themselves don't supply the batteries. I know about toyota needing extra capacity, but that still has nothing to do with a Subaru technical team developing a vehicle for Toyota.
Actually, FHI owns 49% of NEC Lamilion Energy and they are working on producing low-cost Lithium Ion (Li-ion) batteries for hybrid cars. Current hybrid cars use Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) batteries and Li-ion batteries are a much better solution.
Actually, FHI owns 49% of NEC Lamilion Energy and they are working on producing low-cost Lithium Ion (Li-ion) batteries for hybrid cars. Current hybrid cars use Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) batteries and Li-ion batteries are a much better solution.
Toyota also owns:
-Aisin AW Co. : Hybrid suppliers to Ford and GM, as well
- Panasonic (60% ownership): mainly hybrid batteries
-just bought out GM share of FHI.
-Toyota's goal of offering a hybrid in every model and selling 1 million hybrid in the next decade, made them agressive in getting involved with suppliers (invest or buy).
Honda:
-Close relationships with Sanyo, probably going to make their next gen batteries in house.
-Stays away from any suppliers that are under toyota control/influence.
-Already makes own hydrogen fuel cells
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. I'd like to see the Celica return, especially in All-trac form.
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