Idea for Hybrid car. Please tell me what you think.
I was watching a few videos on YouTube just killing time and came across some train videos. Well in these videos they explain how a train uses generators to power electric motors that are hooked to the driving wheels. So I got to brain storming then a idea hit me, what if you can do the same thing to a small car or truck. Put a generator in the trunk of a very small light car like a Geo Metro or something like that along with high efficient batteries. The gas petal could be hooked to a DC control box to control the amount of electricity traveling to the DC motor. When the batteries start to get weak you can fire up a small generator in the back to charge the batteries with a key ignition and electric start (the generator will have its own battery).
The car will have to be kept light (for efficiency reasons) and will probably lose its back seat due to the batteries and small generator. The generator could be a Honda generator or a more efficient one. While the car is parked at a house or somewhere close to a power outlet it can be plugged in to charge the batteries instead of using the generator.
The purpose behind this idea is to have a car that will hardly use any gas and it will be a good all around commute city/town car that will not leave you stranded if the batteries go dead.
Please if you have any comments or ideas please post here this is something I wouldn't mind trying out for myself.
__________________ - 1998 Honda Civic Sedan - White (B18C5 swap in progress)
Are you trying to create your own hybrid? I highly doubt it will work or be as efficient.
The way they work now; the battery recharges during deceleration or braking. The way power is transfrerred through the generator, battery, to the wheels actually varies.
Are you trying to create your own hybrid? I highly doubt it will work or be as efficient.
Well there is a website (not listing it here) but a kid built one out of a small Mazda (I think) pickup truck using junk old car batteries and using the trucks transmission. It gets up to about 50 miles per charge which is pretty good. I think if I can find more efficient batteries it might just work. Now the generator is not there to drive the car with dead batteries but give you a chance to pull over and start it up to allow the batteries to charge. Electric motors are very powerful and if you can find a big brush less motor equals more efficient with more power. I could use the car's transmission but the only bad thing is it puts more of a drain on the batteries due to parasitic power loss. The car will only be used for around town only with a estimated top speed of maybe 50 mph. The new LiPo batteries that are about to be mass produced can be fully charged in less than 20 seconds and takes less materials to make (= Cheaper).
Oh and yes I'm talking about creating my own.
Copy and paste this in google "16 year-old builds electric pickup truck"
(Copy and pasted from other site)
We all know the major manufacturers are saying it can't be done, so I guess it's up to the youth!
Andrew Angelloti, an (eco something) forum member, converted his very own 1988 Mazda pickup to run on electricity last year, using $6,000 he had saved up from his part time job as a life guard. He built his truck using 20 flooded lead acid batteries to create 120 volts, which he couples to a 60 HP electric motor.
How does it perform? Reaches a top speed of 55mph, has an acceleration of not too bad and can get up to 40 miles on a charge (which is more than enough to get him to work and back, and coincidentally, will be something similar to what the Chevy Volt is supposed to be able to do).
Whats even more amazing is that Andrew is now working on a second EV conversion. This time he's doing the same with a 1992 Toyota Tercel, but with a much bigger motor for a lot more speed. He's hoping to use a 120HP motor to have the top speed up to 80 MPH with a bit of sacrifice of the range.
I wish Andrew the best of luck, as he is certainly going out there and doing it on his own, without waiting for the major manufacturers to do it for him.
__________________ - 1998 Honda Civic Sedan - White (B18C5 swap in progress)
Arent hybrids supposed to get that kind of mileage? Well in the city anyway.
I guess i am having trouble understanding what your trying to accomplish. Whats going to be driving the wheels? Is this going to be an actual hybrid or just a car running straight electrcity?
Although for 6g to make is own hybrid, thats probably worth it. So if thats what your trying to do, GL. I guess it can be done, you just gotta find people who want to do it.
Arent hybrids supposed to get that kind of mileage? Well in the city anyway.
I guess i am having trouble understanding what your trying to accomplish. Whats going to be driving the wheels? Is this going to be an actual hybrid or just a car running straight electrcity?
Well its to save gas. Hybrids have a engine that run almost all the time. The computer uses the engine but when it needs more power it applies it from the electric motor mounted between the engine and transmission.
The idea of this is to use the lease amount of gas as possible. The car should be able to drive only on the batteries and electric motor for about 40-50 miles and this is perfect for that drive to the store or job. The generator is only used when the car's batteries start to die. Most of the time you will not be using the small generator if you changed the batteries while the car was parked at your house but it will keep you from being stranded.
Now for the drive train. I could use a special (custom build) single axle that goes to both front wheels (with ball joints of coarse) and two bearings (one on each side) to keep everything stable. with a sprocket bolted/welded to the center part of the axle with a chain going from the electric motor to the drive axle but this is just a quick thought I might come up with a better way soon.
So 95% of the time you will be using no gas at all only when you start the generator will you be using gas which is not much at all.
__________________ - 1998 Honda Civic Sedan - White (B18C5 swap in progress)
I was watching a few videos on YouTube just killing time and came across some train videos. Well in these videos they explain how a train uses generators to power electric motors that are hooked to the driving wheels. So I got to brain storming then a idea hit me, what if you can do the same thing to a small car or truck. Put a generator in the trunk of a very small light car like a Geo Metro or something like that along with high efficient batteries. The gas petal could be hooked to a DC control box to control the amount of electricity traveling to the DC motor. When the batteries start to get weak you can fire up a small generator in the back to charge the batteries with a key ignition and electric start (the generator will have its own battery).
The car will have to be kept light (for efficiency reasons) and will probably lose its back seat due to the batteries and small generator. The generator could be a Honda generator or a more efficient one. While the car is parked at a house or somewhere close to a power outlet it can be plugged in to charge the batteries instead of using the generator.
The purpose behind this idea is to have a car that will hardly use any gas and it will be a good all around commute city/town car that will not leave you stranded if the batteries go dead.
Please if you have any comments or ideas please post here this is something I wouldn't mind trying out for myself.
Actually its alot more complicated then that. but to put it simply a diesel engine drives a really big alternator then that power is used to power electric motors on each of the drive axles. so its not really like a hybrid, not really any batteries
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Originally Posted by WVU97GS-R
a ex in perfect condition might put down about 100whp. basically lawnmowers will give you a run for your money
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if you're somehow getting the filter on your sri submerged, stop driving.
Actually its alot more complicated then that. but to put it simply a diesel engine drives a really big alternator then that power is used to power electric motors on each of the drive axles. so its not really like a hybrid, not really any batteries
Well we are talking about something that weighs a lot less than a train. The batteries are there to store energy for the electric motor. You will use just the batteries 95% of the time so the generator will NOT be used to make power for the electric motor its only purpose is to charge the batteries to keep you from being stranded.
To put it simple
1. You use the car for only around town.
2. You use electricity from the batteries to power the electric motor.
3. The ONLY gas you will ever have to buy is for the generator.
4. While parked at the house you plug in the car with its built in charger.
5. If you run out of juice the generator can be started to charge the batteries to keep you from being stranded in the middle of no where. (still got to figure out how it would charge it being it puts out AC voltage)
If I got everything working right it could pay for itself in a matter of a few years due to gas savings. Due to safety reasons I will also install a kill switch (ground) to the gas pedal so if you had the generator running as soon as you touch the gas pedal it will kill the generator.
__________________ - 1998 Honda Civic Sedan - White (B18C5 swap in progress)
Well we are talking about something that weighs a lot less than a train. The batteries are there to store energy for the electric motor. You will use just the batteries 95% of the time so the generator will NOT be used to make power for the electric motor its only purpose is to charge the batteries to keep you from being stranded.
To put it simple
1. You use the car for only around town
2. You use electricity from the batteries to power the electric motor
3. While parked at the house you plug in the car with its built in charger
4. If you run out of juice the generator can be started to charge the batteries (still got to figure out how it would charge it being it puts out AC voltage)
well heres the deal. what you are saying is nothing like a train then, its like a normal hybrid car. and well lets face it you can make it fairly simple or you can just buy one. if you want to set a car up like a train setup it would be for torque. and well you don't burn up a clutch trying to haul 150,000 tons of material
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Originally Posted by WVU97GS-R
a ex in perfect condition might put down about 100whp. basically lawnmowers will give you a run for your money
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Originally Posted by Snoopy
if you're somehow getting the filter on your sri submerged, stop driving.
well heres the deal. what you are saying is nothing like a train then, its like a normal hybrid car. and well lets face it you can make it fairly simple or you can just buy one. if you want to set a car up like a train setup it would be for torque. and well you don't burn up a clutch trying to haul 150,000 tons of material
I know but I've never seen a battery only powered car sold in the states. Plus if I do this on my own I will save a great deal of money from buying a new car. Hybrids use a gas engine to propel the car but only uses the electric motor to "assist" in acceleration. I want a battery and electric motor car to save gas, charge it at my house, and ride to the store while passing every gas station.
See the generators in a train can put out enough juice to power the motors without batteries but its the same principle as a train but only using batteries to store power for the car. The generator is ONLY used to charge the batteries.
Did you know the CSX train company claims their trains can go some 120 something miles on a gallon of gas??
__________________ - 1998 Honda Civic Sedan - White (B18C5 swap in progress)
I know but I've never seen a battery only powered car sold in the states. Plus if I do this on my own I will save a great deal of money from buying a new car. Hybrids use a gas engine to propel the car but only uses the electric motor to "assist" in acceleration. I want a battery and electric motor car to save gas, charge it at my house, and ride to the store while passing every gas station.
See the generators in a train can put out enough juice to power the motors without batteries but its the same principle as a train but only using batteries to store power for the car. The generator is ONLY used to charge the batteries.
Did you know the CSX train company claims their trains can go some 120 something miles on a gallon of gas??
The reason they dont sell straight eletric cars in the states is that its not that convenient yet. If the batteries die then you have no way to charge them But what your saying is just drag along a portable charger everywhere you go?
The electric prototypes out there are pretty cool but much R&D has gone into develop them. I think theres people that test them like on salt flats too.
Hybrid motor work up to 25mph usually, but the way power goes to the wheels and back to the battery varies.
It can go from the engine to the wheel, 2.from the engine to the electric motor/generator to the battery, 3.from the wheels to the motor/generator to the batter, y. from the battery to the motor/generator to the wheel.
Durin regeneration the motor becomes the generator.
These hybrids can be 3 cylinders and run super lean ratios.
But what your saying is just drag along a portable charger everywhere you go?
Yes thats what I'm saying. I would love to have my own electric car just for around town purposes and i'd love it even more to have built it myself. I have access to a lot of these parts to put it together thats why I want to give this a shot. (Its too early to think up any ideas. LOL)
Now LiPo (Litestorm or LVX series) batteries can be charged in a matter of 20 seconds so hybrid technology is about to improve a lot. If this is completely true then hybrids that are based off of regeneration (deceleration charging) will be able to completely charge it self while slowing down to exit the highway.
__________________ - 1998 Honda Civic Sedan - White (B18C5 swap in progress)
I know but I've never seen a battery only powered car sold in the states. Plus if I do this on my own I will save a great deal of money from buying a new car. Hybrids use a gas engine to propel the car but only uses the electric motor to "assist" in acceleration. I want a battery and electric motor car to save gas, charge it at my house, and ride to the store while passing every gas station.
See the generators in a train can put out enough juice to power the motors without batteries but its the same principle as a train but only using batteries to store power for the car. The generator is ONLY used to charge the batteries.
Did you know the CSX train company claims their trains can go some 120 something miles on a gallon of gas??
1st its not a csx locomotive. csx is just the company that owns the rails and locomotives. they aren't the ones building them. GE builds the locomotives. but I think the mileage is exaggerated or not under full load maybe just the locomotives themselves. it takes alot to move 150,000 tons.
they do make full electric cars in the us I've seen a few of them.
so you telling me you're gonna hook up electric motors to each of the wheels? I doubt it you would lose so much drive ability and distance in which the batteries stay charged. you would be better to get a bigger motor and put it on a transmission then drive the front wheels with it.
you need to stop thinking locomotive and start thinking electric car. cause thats all it is. not to be confused with hybrid car.
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Originally Posted by WVU97GS-R
a ex in perfect condition might put down about 100whp. basically lawnmowers will give you a run for your money
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snoopy
if you're somehow getting the filter on your sri submerged, stop driving.
you need to stop thinking locomotive and start thinking electric car. cause thats all it is. not to be confused with hybrid car.
Well when did I ever say I was going to put an electric motor on each wheel? I only talk about the trains because thats what inspired the idea with the on board generator, thats it and nothing more. If you read my other posts it states using a custom 1 axle for both front wheels with a sprocket in the center for the 1 electric motor to power the car transferring the power through a chain.
__________________ - 1998 Honda Civic Sedan - White (B18C5 swap in progress)
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