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Good and bad ways to shift?/Torque questions...
I of course have AT. But I still have 4 gears. Is there any way I could just shift manually without causing any problems? Because I find that when I switch gears manually I can hit higher RPMs that way and hear my vtec roar as I get a nice, smooth boost. Is this bad? Should I stop and keep it in gear 4 and let the car shift itself?
Also.....I'm trying to get more power right off the line. I know my car isn't too fast yet, but my front wheel drive feels like it isn't powerful enough to grip the road hard enough or something. I heard headers would make a difference in top end and midrange power, so I went and got some and it has, but the launch is what kills me. Having a heavy AV6 sedan probably doesn't help either ya?
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You don't get more power using the haul gears setup on an auto tranny. There's a torque and range difference, but your car will already use the 1st gear to start moving and provide for the least amount of slipping through the T.C. and Transmission. Your differential will also help in locking that start off, but there is no need to have a clean start unless your drag racing, and if you're not, then you are street racing and that's childish and stupid.
If you have driven a MT ever, you will know how to work those extra 3 gears, but if you have not, don't use them, if you keep the tranny overheated or exceed the limiter all the time, the transmission will wear out and fail eventually. There is no real gain, it will not make the car faster. It will help you slow down, or tow, or save yourself in a skid, but will not do anything else for you.
I drive a K-24 Cr-v that weighs about 3300lbs, and when I take it to the drags here in Bremerton, it's nothing special, but launching is done easily with the auto. You do know that a lot of high-end drag cars are automatic right? The thing is, my car is a 4 banger, and can outrun your V6 easy, just because of a simple mod, called the Driver Mod. Use common sense, and don't overwork the transmission on an economy car. Don't be sad that you don't have a manual mate, get yourself some money and drive a manual as an extra car if you want that fun factor. I have two cars with ATM, and 2 with MT, and they all do their job the way they're supposed to.
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god damn, really?
Yes, really. Ask me this time and I'll tell you the same thing. Why post if you have nothing constructive to say? I'm not some stupid kid trying to b3efz0rz up my car so I can race all the minivans on the road to think I'm fast. I'm just curious about my new car and what I can do with it. But thanks for throwing in your 2 cents.
Anyway.........So shifting both ways has no power difference? My last 2 cars were MT. I had a civic and an old chevy s-10 which was my first car. The civic was my first project car and I shifted around 4500 rpms, just before redlining off the launch. I don't know how that ties into shifting in my AT now, but please educate me.
Yes, really. Ask me this time and I'll tell you the same thing. Why post if you have nothing constructive to say? I'm not some stupid kid trying to b3efz0rz up my car so I can race all the minivans on the road to think I'm fast. I'm just curious about my new car and what I can do with it. But thanks for throwing in your 2 cents.
Anyway.........So shifting both ways has no power difference? My last 2 cars were MT. I had a civic and an old chevy s-10 which was my first car. The civic was my first project car and I shifted around 4500 rpms, just before redlining off the launch. I don't know how that ties into shifting in my AT now, but please educate me.
yea, okay. thats why you wanna know which is the best and fastest way to manual shift your auto. cant wait till you post a "my tranny took a shit" thread soon.
I of course have AT. But I still have 4 gears. Is there any way I could just shift manually without causing any problems? Because I find that when I switch gears manually I can hit higher RPMs that way and hear my vtec roar as I get a nice, smooth boost. Is this bad? Should I stop and keep it in gear 4 and let the car shift itself?
Also.....I'm trying to get more power right off the line. I know my car isn't too fast yet, but my front wheel drive feels like it isn't powerful enough to grip the road hard enough or something. I heard headers would make a difference in top end and midrange power, so I went and got some and it has, but the launch is what kills me. Having a heavy AV6 sedan probably doesn't help either ya?
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4500 is rather high for an automatic transmission. You want to leave a stop at 800-1000rpm or lower if the car even idles that low. Then if you want to shift out of first, in an auto, you best leave 1st around 2,000 then enter 2nd around 3,000-3,500. But that's just if you're leaving a stop, you'll see that it will climb really fast.
The problem is that A manual transmission has set gear ratios, like 1:1, 1:2, 1:3, etc...
An automatic has infinite ratios, so it will create a 1:1, 1:2, 1:6, 3:7, though there are no specific gears for it. It simply "makes" them in a way. So when you leave a stop in a manual, I tend to leave it at about 2,000 because i use way to much gas and tend not to feather the clutch very well. In fact, I can't really feather it to save my life. Anyway, the transmission on any stock MT car is not meant to leave a stop at 4,500 RPM really. On an Auto, that is really going to cause a lot of problems, specifically because you will break the transmission before it launches. You don't have a clutch, you have a neutral, but that doesn't really count.
You probably already know, but when you push in the clutch, you push the tranny away from the engine-sorta, and you have the ability to slowly let it grip back on with a little drag (letting it out). You can let it out completely at 4,500 and what happens? Stall. Automatic doesn't have a "clutch." and there is no way to slowly let it out of neutral, so what you're suggesting at leaving a dead stop with the engine revved that high is either holding in the brakes and causing torque steer when you leave the stop, (FWD) and screwing up your axles in the process since you're forcing them to spin, but you are also forcing them to stop. Depends on the drive system as well. But the idea is to shift into first at 4,500 on a MT, as you stated. No way to do that. the auto has a lock-out that will not allow the tranny to shift into a gear if the engine is already revving, and if it does, there will be no added torque as the transmission will drop down to a safe RPM to shift. You can shift an auto all over the place and it will correct the RPM to do it, but just because it lets you, doesn't mean you should.
Basically, you will get a way better start, leaving the car in 1st, letting it go to 2,000 and shifting it to it's Drive position, that's the best you can get. 2nd and 3rd are for towing purposes and hill climbing, as well as engine braking, no real performance help whatsoever.
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yea, okay. thats why you wanna know which is the best and fastest way to manual shift your auto. cant wait till you post a "my tranny took a shit" thread soon.
Which is why I'm asking if it's good or bad for my transmission, so that thread doesn't appear. Sorry I'm not some super tech automotive guy with loads of info on cars. That's why I'm posting here to hopefully get some info and help and not some immature comments from some dude who has nothing better to do but post 349459485 times on this site making stupid comments to people. Grow up and go bash on someone else's thread.....which is probably what you're doing now........
Thanks for the info Serj22! It really gave me a good understanding now.
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You can brake boost an automatic to an extent., which is still hard on the drivetrain but not as hard as dropping the damn thing from neutral to drive or slammming through to 1st.
Heres how I horseplay/dragrace in an automatic.
To Burnout: Set E-brake, step on brake pedal hard, give gas to build torque up, slam foot to floor while .5 seconds later letting go of brake. - you want to minimize wear on the drive train then you don't want to have higher than idle rpms for any more time than needed.
To drag: Virtually the same as the burnout, but you dont set the E-brake.
Its easier on the whole drivetrain because its about equal to preloading the drivetrain in a manual transmission by slipping the clutch so you dont slam torque onto the drive componets. They may have tight tolerances but repeating that abuse widens them quickly, and they eventually break.
Much like it woud wear out the clutch in a manual, it can put similar stress on the automatics torque converter.
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