suspension question

[blue2kSi]

my si is lowered on stock suspension. but the car has hella body roll. i need to get rear strut bar and tie bar or whatever... you think that would cut it down a little or should i upgrade the struts?

[b16a2racer]

Originally posted by blue2kSi
my si is lowered on stock suspension. but the car has hella body roll. i need to get rear strut bar and tie bar or whatever... you think that would cut it down a little or should i upgrade the struts?

there's no doubt it will definately help, if u want to get rid of body roll i'd also suggest getting struts. i have KYB AGX adjustable, and the different settings are quite noticeable to the avid driver who picks up on little things like that. i like setting it stiffer, feels like a brick, very planted, good control but as u know i'm selling my car so i turned it down all the way which is still a little better than stock, but i feel more body roll than i'm used to

[BennySiR]

Originally posted by b16a2racer
there's no doubt it will definately help, if u want to get rid of body roll i'd also suggest getting struts. i have KYB AGX adjustable, and the different settings are quite noticeable to the avid driver who picks up on little things like that. i like setting it stiffer, feels like a brick, very planted, good control but as u know i'm selling my car so i turned it down all the way which is still a little better than stock, but i feel more body roll than i'm used to

Yes. Hit the nail on the head. When i first lowered my car I has this problem. then I got some KYB AGX's and solved it nicely. And its good to have the adjustablity for the track

[mykem]

upgraded sway bars will greatly reduce your body roll, much more noticeable difference than strut and tie bars

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[OdiedogCX]

Definatly get some new shocks. My car has alot of body roll, as i'm on stock shocks too.

Next i'd get upgraded sway bars .. THEN tie/strut bars.

The Comptech rear sway/lower tie kit is SEXY.

[Targa250R]

Originally posted by blue2kSi
my si is lowered on stock suspension. but the car has hella body roll. i need to get rear strut bar and tie bar or whatever... you think that would cut it down a little or should i upgrade the struts?

How is your car lowered if the suspension is stock?

"Bars" do exactly jack shit for suspension, unless they are anti-roll bars (commonly referred to as "sway bars"). The real meat-and-potatoes of suspension are springs, shocks, and sway bars. To reduce body roll, get yourself some springs with higher spring rates, shocks with the proper damping to control those springs, and/or sway bars with more torsional rigidity.

Contrary to what these guys are telling you, you should generally not use the shock's compression damping to control body roll if you can avoid it. This can lead to reduced traction and stability in corners.

Don't fall for silly "JDM" suspension marketing gimmicks, and don't fall for useless pieces that are little more than overpriced, pretty-looking garbage.

That's the best advice I can give you, based on the information you have given us (i.e. almost nothing).

[blue2kSi]

my car is lowered like 2.5 inches with just springs... thats all i put on there...

[BennySiR]

Originally posted by Targa250R
How is your car lowered if the suspension is stock?

"Bars" do exactly jack shit for suspension, unless they are anti-roll bars (commonly referred to as "sway bars"). The real meat-and-potatoes of suspension are springs, shocks, and sway bars. To reduce body roll, get yourself some springs with higher spring rates, shocks with the proper damping to control those springs, and/or sway bars with more torsional rigidity.

Contrary to what these guys are telling you, you should generally not use the shock's compression damping to control body roll if you can avoid it. This can lead to reduced traction and stability in corners.

Don't fall for silly "JDM" suspension marketing gimmicks, and don't fall for useless pieces that are little more than overpriced, pretty-looking garbage.

That's the best advice I can give you, based on the information you have given us (i.e. almost nothing).

Well this post was pretty much useless. Why did you even waste your time??

[BennySiR]

Originally posted by BennySiR
Yes. Hit the nail on the head. When i first lowered my car I has this problem. then I got some KYB AGX's and solved it nicely. And its good to have the adjustablity for the track

And how did I say "Use the dampening characteristics of your shocks to sovle body roll"?????

When I got my AGX and Eibach Pro Kit put on, you kindda have to stiffen the shocks or you'll bottom out here in Saskatchewan. So it does take care of some body roll. I didn't say it was the answer and thats it.

[Targa250R]

Originally posted by BennySiR
Well this post was pretty much useless. Why did you even waste your time??

Because I was hoping smartasses like yourself might read it and get the point, but obviously it went over your head.

If you knew anything about suspension tuning - which it seems like you don't - then you'd understand.

And how did I say "Use the dampening characteristics of your shocks to sovle body roll"?????

When I got my AGX and Eibach Pro Kit put on, you kindda have to stiffen the shocks or you'll bottom out here in Saskatchewan. So it does take care of some body roll. I didn't say it was the answer and thats it.

Just like you shouldn't be using the shock's compression damping to control body roll, you should also not be using the damping to control bottoming. Call up Koni and ask them their opinion on this subject if you don't want to take my word for it.

Roll should be controlled by the springs (both coil springs and sway bars). If you're using the damping to control roll and bottoming, then you have some inherent problems in your suspension setup. A shock should only be used to control the velocity at which the spring compresses and decompresses, not how far it compresses/decompresses.

I was speaking specifically about you, but I was grouping you with the other 2 who were advising him to get different shocks in order to reduce body roll.

[b16a2racer]

Originally posted by Targa250R
How is your car lowered if the suspension is stock?

HEY you're so clever, very cute... i think the rest of us understood what he was TRYING to say.

[Targa250R]

Originally posted by b16a2racer
HEY you're so clever, very cute... i think the rest of us understood what he was TRYING to say.

I don't. What was he trying to say? You tell me.

He says the car is lowered but the suspension is stock. This is confusing because:

1. It indicates that he has stock springs (i.e. "stock").
2. It also indicates that he does not have stock springs (i.e. "lowered").

So which is it?

You people are just picking out things for the sake of arguing. Get over it.

[b16a2racer]

Originally posted by blue2kSi
my si is lowered on stock suspension.

Originally posted by Targa250R
How is your car lowered if the suspension is stock?

Originally posted by Targa250R
I don't. What was he trying to say?

Originally posted by blue2kSi
my car is lowered like 2.5 inches with just springs... thats all i put on there...

^^^

You people are just picking out things for the sake of arguing. Get over it.

umm, actually no... you are. he made a mistake leave the guy alone

[Targa250R]

Originally posted by b16a2racer
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umm, actually no... you are. he made a mistake leave the guy alone

Hello? He didn't post that until after my first post. Can you not read?

He also didn't mention anything about the springs or their rates, and he didn't mention what this car is to be used for and what his handling goals are.

That's it, I'm out of this thread. I'll take my advice elsewhere, since it isn't wanted here. Obviously you guys know all about suspension tuning.

[b16a2racer]

Originally posted by Targa250R
A shock should only be used to control the velocity at which the spring compresses and decompresses, not how far it compresses/decompresses.

we know this, i do at least... thats why i got my shocks and tested different results with the adjustability over and over. you try really hard to pick on anyone u can, whether they just have a question or if they're trying to help others out. the info u posted is correct, yea... but try not to be a dick about it.

BTW, the quotes were givin to u in that order so that u see that he answered your question. don't ask me "what did he mean" when he already answered.