hey that pic with the 14's isn't necessarily representative of all civics that have H&R sports with 14" rims though. i'm running HX rims, H&R sports, and KYB GR-IIs, and my front end is lower than in that picture.
hey that pic with the 14's isn't necessarily representative of all civics that have H&R sports with 14" rims though. i'm running HX rims, H&R sports, and KYB GR-IIs, and my front end is lower than in that picture.
Could just be the picture, or maybe you have a different size tire.
Mods: Eibach Pro Kit, Koni Yellow shocks, Neuspeed short shifter, Neuspeed front strut brace, DC header, Iceman intake
Hey i'm currently running prokit with koni's and i think the ride and handling are pretty good. The pic in my signature shows my car when i had Neuspeed sport springs. They lower 1.75" front and 1.5" rear. I always thought the Neuspeed Sports and H&R Sports were manufactured by the same people. Both progressive rate and exact same lowering. One thing im not sure if I like is the fact that the Neuspeeds i had were set up to where the car actually rode on the bumpstops.
The pro kit instructions had me trim the front bumpstops so that the car wouldnt hit them during suspension bound. But for the Neuspeed Sports, the instructions said do NOT trim the bumpstops, and the springs sat lower than the 1.3" all around for the pro kit. I know that the Neuspeed springs were designed to RIDE on the bumpstops for a fact because: I originally had the pro kit installed on my car, trimmed the bumpstops like it said, and the car sat at about 1.3" lower like it was supposed to. I later decide that I wanted it lower, and the Neuspeed Sports seemed to be choice. So, I installed the Neuspeeds and FORGOT that i had trimmed the bumpstop from before, and the car sat OVER 2" lower in the front than stock. I was upset by this, so decided to read the instructions after the fact.. . In Neuspeed's instructions it said DO NOT trim the bumpstops. Sooo I went to the dealer and bought another set of bumpstops and installed them in the front. TA DA!! The car then sat perfect, closer to the 1.75" that it claimed and looked very nice (as you can see in my sig).
So that being said, did you guys have the same experience with the H&R Sports? Did you guys trim your bumpstops or no? I talked to a tech over the phone from Neuspeed and he said "yes the springs were designed to ride on the bumpstops, as they were taken into consideration for the overall spring rate." I personally think this is rediculous for a company to design a spring so that it doesnt even hold up the entire weight of the car, and instead leaving it up to the BUMP STOP to hold the car up!
So yes i like the pro kit overall for ride and handling, but 1.3" drop just isnt enough if you ask me, especially if you have plus sized wheels and tires. The Neuspeed sports are the perfect drop to me, but its just a little unsettling to think that the car is held in place by bumpstops. Im not saying the bumpstops are holding 100% of the weight, but just enough to keep the car at a certain height. I'm sure the springs hold a fair amount of the weight.
What do you guys think about it? Do H&R's behave the same way?
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1996 LS|Iceman CAI|DC 421|Evo|Neuspeed Sport springs|Koni Yellows|Neuspeed front brace|Neuspeed short shifter|AEM Pads|Duralast rotors|14" Stocks with Kumho Cheapies
Mods: Eibach Pro Kit, Koni Yellow shocks, Neuspeed short shifter, Neuspeed front strut brace, DC header, Iceman intake
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Originally Posted by VtecAddict
I didnt trim the bumpstops on my H&R sports. I dont think they were actually resting on the bumpstops though.
Yea i think they are... Like i said before, the Neuspeeds are the exact same drop, and i had my bumpstops trimmed before i put them on, and the front sagged way down further than it should have ie tire tucted under fenderwell. When i installed new untrimmed bumpstops, the car sat the way it should. So thats why i was asking if anyone knew if the Neuspeeds and H&Rs were made by the same peeps and if n e 1 trimmed their bumpstops with the H&Rs.
BTW: I am a competant mechanic so I didnt screw anything up in the process, as the reason for the different drops with or without bumpstops.
__________________ "My car's not slow, it just has a low metabolism."
1996 LS|Iceman CAI|DC 421|Evo|Neuspeed Sport springs|Koni Yellows|Neuspeed front brace|Neuspeed short shifter|AEM Pads|Duralast rotors|14" Stocks with Kumho Cheapies
Mods: Eibach Pro Kit, Koni Yellow shocks, Neuspeed short shifter, Neuspeed front strut brace, DC header, Iceman intake
Ok peeps, I have found the info I was looking for. This will explain how the car rides on the bumpstops using H&R Sports and Neuspeed sports (same spring). Seemed strange to me at first, but this article (from the H&R website) will clear things up...
__________________ "My car's not slow, it just has a low metabolism."
1996 LS|Iceman CAI|DC 421|Evo|Neuspeed Sport springs|Koni Yellows|Neuspeed front brace|Neuspeed short shifter|AEM Pads|Duralast rotors|14" Stocks with Kumho Cheapies
Nice article but goddam does that fucker like to ramble on.
Just a FYI: The paper that came with my H&R's said DO NOT trim the bumpstops, they said that is only necessary with their race springs and it might have been necessary with one of the accord models.
Mods: Eibach Pro Kit, Koni Yellow shocks, Neuspeed short shifter, Neuspeed front strut brace, DC header, Iceman intake
Neuspeed sports (same as H&R sports)
__________________ "My car's not slow, it just has a low metabolism."
1996 LS|Iceman CAI|DC 421|Evo|Neuspeed Sport springs|Koni Yellows|Neuspeed front brace|Neuspeed short shifter|AEM Pads|Duralast rotors|14" Stocks with Kumho Cheapies
guy in red teg... car is no way constantly riding on bump-stop... other wise, spring and strut will have no way to go... so ur idea is stupid, the article u supplied did not say car will always ride on bump stop, but oem spring is soft, so when doing hard turning, spring compressed to a certain degree and engage the bump stop so it wont' kept compressing...
Mods: B18C1, AEM CAI, DC 4-2-1, Custom Exhaust, 16x6's, some random dressings here and there.
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Originally Posted by will_pop
by some reason i came a cross this thread...
guy in red teg... car is no way constantly riding on bump-stop... other wise, spring and strut will have no way to go... so ur idea is stupid, the article u supplied did not say car will always ride on bump stop, but oem spring is soft, so when doing hard turning, spring compressed to a certain degree and engage the bump stop so it wont' kept compressing...
Mods: Eibach Pro Kit, Koni Yellow shocks, Neuspeed short shifter, Neuspeed front strut brace, DC header, Iceman intake
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Originally Posted by will_pop
by some reason i came a cross this thread...
guy in red teg... car is no way constantly riding on bump-stop... other wise, spring and strut will have no way to go... so ur idea is stupid, the article u supplied did not say car will always ride on bump stop, but oem spring is soft, so when doing hard turning, spring compressed to a certain degree and engage the bump stop so it wont' kept compressing...
ah .... plz dun give ppl wrong ideas..
Dude, maybe you need to go back and read what I said and what the article said. I'm not talking about the OEM spring, I'm referring to some AFTERMARKET springs. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about, I've had direct experience with this, and that article just confirmed my theory and what others have said. Yes what you said is absolutely correct for OEM springs, but I'm not talking about OEM springs...
ah... plz pay attention before posting replies..
__________________ "My car's not slow, it just has a low metabolism."
1996 LS|Iceman CAI|DC 421|Evo|Neuspeed Sport springs|Koni Yellows|Neuspeed front brace|Neuspeed short shifter|AEM Pads|Duralast rotors|14" Stocks with Kumho Cheapies
H&R do make some good springs but I would most definetly stick with Eibachs, not the pro-kit but the sportline series. The sportlines series are their more perormance oriented version and those are the actual 'progressive rate' springs. The pro-kit more for looks with a factory spring rate feel.
Check into the sportlines, it drops the car 1.8 front and rear. If ridden in a Celica GTS and a 03 Accord V6 6 spd manual and man I have to say there is a tremendous handling improvement but yet still rides very very good.
. In Neuspeed's instructions it said DO NOT trim the bumpstops. Sooo I went to the dealer and bought another set of bumpstops and installed them in the front. TA DA!! The car then sat perfect, closer to the 1.75" that it claimed and looked very nice (as you can see in my sig). 
