Ground controls or neuspeed sports - Honda Forum / Acura Forum

94honda · 03-28-2002, 03:52 PM

How do the ground controls compare to the sports?
Im only going to drop my car around 1.8 inches!
Im probably going to use Bilstein Hd's!
Would i have a better chance of my ground control sleeve slipping on shitty roads, because i have alot of those around here!

My main concern is the snow in the winter!

lOOkatme · 03-28-2002, 04:06 PM

I perfer springs over coilover sleeves...there is no freeplay in springs unlike coilovers which can leave a drive tire in the air...nothing pushing the wheel back to the earth....even on hard cornering the drive wheel tends to spin more with coilovers than springs.

PseudoRealityX · 03-28-2002, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by lOOkatme
I perfer springs over coilover sleeves...there is no freeplay in springs unlike coilovers which can leave a drive tire in the air...nothing pushing the wheel back to the earth....even on hard cornering the drive wheel tends to spin more with coilovers than springs.

there ARE ways to get rid of that kind of slop.

94honda · 03-31-2002, 10:18 AM

Well neuspeed sports and and bilsteins are cheaper!

I guess the ride with ground controls does suck!

ATeg92 · 03-31-2002, 11:24 AM

Go with the ground control. That way you can rase your car back up. The coilovers will give you a lot more adjustability. It depends on what you are looking for and what you want from your ride.
However I wouldn't get neuspeed springs. I would either get Eibach or H&R

lOOkatme · 03-31-2002, 08:21 PM

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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX

there ARE ways to get rid of that kind of slop.

helper springs??

Bampf · 04-02-2002, 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX

there ARE ways to get rid of that kind of slop.

How would you get rid of the slop?

I prefer a good spring/shock combo to coilover sleeves any day. There are a lot of reasons for it, and I've posted them before. If you're interested in why then a search in this forum would prolly get you that post, but if you can't find it I'll post it again.

Neuspeed Sports and Bilstein HDs should work well. And it should be cheaper than the GCs. If you know how to install springs/shocks yourself you can take the Neuspeeds off the car in the winter and reinstall you stock setup.

If you do end up going with the Ground Controls, then get your car corner weighted with you in the car (they balance out the weight with the adjustable height).

PseudoRealityX · 04-02-2002, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Bampf

How would you get rid of the slop?

I prefer a good spring/shock combo to coilover sleeves any day. There are a lot of reasons for it, and I've posted them before. If you're interested in why then a search in this forum would prolly get you that post, but if you can't find it I'll post it again.

Neuspeed Sports and Bilstein HDs should work well. And it should be cheaper than the GCs. If you know how to install springs/shocks yourself you can take the Neuspeeds off the car in the winter and reinstall you stock setup.

If you do end up going with the Ground Controls, then get your car corner weighted with you in the car (they balance out the weight with the adjustable height).

Helper springs, and getting the appropriate sized collar for your stut body will get rid of any slop, and youre basically making your own FULL bodied coilovers.

The reason im getting the Ground controls is SO i can have it corner weighted, and have the custom spring rates i need. I do have SOME clue to what im talking about

Bampf · 04-02-2002, 12:07 PM

I was just curious as to how you would elliminate the play that comes from the sleeve not fitting perfectly...I didn't think of having a custom made sleeve 'cause I figured that the cost would be prohibitive. That's why I don't think the Koni Threaded Coilover Kit is as bad as coilover sleeves, 'cause the shock manufacturer is also making the sleeve, so I know it's a perfect fit, which eliminates the major source of play and the main reason I don't like coilover sleeves.

I was just curious how you intended to stop the play because of the sleeve not fitting right...

PseudoRealityX · 04-02-2002, 01:19 PM

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I was just curious as to how you would elliminate the play that comes from the sleeve not fitting perfectly...I didn't think of having a custom made sleeve 'cause I figured that the cost would be prohibitive. That's why I don't think the Koni Threaded Coilover Kit is as bad as coilover sleeves, 'cause the shock manufacturer is also making the sleeve, so I know it's a perfect fit, which eliminates the major source of play and the main reason I don't like coilover sleeves.

I was just curious how you intended to stop the play because of the sleeve not fitting right...

just posing a question here, but couldnt you fairly easily shim ANY shock/strut to make them fit right?

lOOkatme · 04-02-2002, 03:05 PM

I have skunk2 coilovers and I do not recommend getting coilovers...I definitly would go with springs...they ride a hell of a lot better than coilovers as well....progressive springs are awesome...H&R race springs here

LX98Civic · 04-02-2002, 04:42 PM

I don't know about for the Accord, but for my civic.....

WEll, just look at the sig

The drop sucks a$$ IMO on the 98 Civic LX!!!

PseudoRealityX · 04-02-2002, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by lOOkatme
I have skunk2 coilovers and I do not recommend getting coilovers...I definitly would go with springs...they ride a hell of a lot better than coilovers as well....progressive springs are awesome...H&R race springs here

Honestly, i could give 2 shits about the ride. I already know what spring rates im getting, and it'll be totally streetable. Having external single adjustable Mazdaspeeds is all i'll need to get some comfort on long trips.

94honda · 04-02-2002, 08:31 PM

Ive seen alot of accords with neuspeed sports, there drops looks even, i dunno what happened with your civic?
The h&r sports are those the same drop as the neuspeed sports??
Are the h&r sports the same spring as the neuspeed sports, since they pretty much are the same company?

I know i could switch to my factory springs and struts in the winter, but would i have to compress anything? no right since the struts are still on the springs?

Bampf · 04-02-2002, 09:13 PM

The front wheel well is cut larger than the rear wheel well, which makes it look like the drop is uneven when you put springs on that lower the car the same amount all around. Neuspeeds drop the front more than the rear, that's why it looks even, but it isn't really.

PseudoRealityX, I don't know if I would use shims between the shock body and the sleeve. The only material that would not get damaged would be metal (for the shim), and to really reduce the play it would need to be tight between the sleeve and the shock body. If you have to hammer it in or something then you might blow the shock, or weaken/score the shock body which might cause it to blow under stress. A better solution might be to give up the play caused by the sleeve (as much as I hate saying that) and try and reduce the play in the suspension elsewhere, like getting urethane bushings instead of the rubber ones.

If I were getting coilover sleeves though, I would either get the Koni Threaded Coilover Kit, or, for those of you like PseudoRealityX that want custom spring rates, I would go with TrueChoice coilovers...TrueChoice use Eibach ERS springs just like GC (at least when you get custom spring rates), and they use Koni Yellow shocks with the sleeve that is designed by Koni so it fits perfectly. Plus the TrueChoice Phase 3 system (you'd want Phase 2 or Phase 3 depending on your budget) comes with Koni's double-adjustable Yellows (compression and rebound are independantly adjustable).