h&r OE springs

[bmoua17]

sup guys im going to get the h&r OE springs on stock shocks and i was wondering if i needed a camber kit? Its for my 99 civic ex coupe..the drop is only .75 front and rear. I just bought the skunk2 camber kit but i'm not sure if i really need for my drop?I read a post yesterday and the guy had the h&r sports (1. sumthing drop)on his 93 civic and he took it for a alignment and there was no camber problems. Cuz if i dont need them then i'm going to sell them and buy some fog lights...

[kommon_sense]

You won't need a camber kit. Get your front toe set to 0deg and you will be fine.

I'm running the H&R sports and I bought a camber kit so that I could get *MORE* negative camber. I set the toe to 0deg and absolutely no signs of abnormal tire wear. People often get confused with what is actually causing the wear on their tires. Toe will eat a tire much faster than camber will.

[White98LS]

Originally Posted by kommon_sense

You won't need a camber kit. Get your front toe set to 0deg and you will be fine.

I'm running the H&R sports and I bought a camber kit so that I could get *MORE* negative camber. I set the toe to 0deg and absolutely no signs of abnormal tire wear. People often get confused with what is actually causing the wear on their tires. Toe will eat a tire much faster than camber will.

With toe at 0 you can have 3x the drop of OE Sports and still get even tire wear. I have -2.0 degrees camber in front and with ~8k on my tires I have no perceptible irregular tire wear... just perfectly even on all 4 tires.

[CurtisAccord]

so how do you zero out toe?

[White98LS]

Originally Posted by CurtisAccord

so how do you zero out toe?

Get an alignment (which you should do anyway since changing out the springs messes it up), and just ask them to set the toe to 0. If it's within the factory specs, they'll do it.

[kommon_sense]

Originally Posted by White98LS

Get an alignment (which you should do anyway since changing out the springs messes it up), and just ask them to set the toe to 0. If it's within the factory specs, they'll do it.

Not all alignment shops will align to customer specs. So you always have to ask about this before having them do the alignment.

[gooniac1]

Originally Posted by kommon_sense

You won't need a camber kit. Get your front toe set to 0deg and you will be fine.

I'm running the H&R sports and I bought a camber kit so that I could get *MORE* negative camber. I set the toe to 0deg and absolutely no signs of abnormal tire wear. People often get confused with what is actually causing the wear on their tires. Toe will eat a tire much faster than camber will.

I learned something. thanx. But what happens to the handling of the car? you need toe for handling don't you?

[kommon_sense]

Originally Posted by gooniac1

I learned something. thanx. But what happens to the handling of the car? you need toe for handling don't you?

toe out on the front :
- increases high speed stability
- gives good initial turn-in
- is very bad for steering coming out of a turn

toe in on the front :
- makes car twitchy at high speed
- bad initial turn-in
- is very good for steering coming out of a turn

zero toe in the front :
- car is a little "twitchier" than stock at high speeds
- good initial turn in
- good steering coming out of a turn

so all depends on what you are doing. zero toe is a great balance and I love it. I actually run zero toe on the front and rear. My car is noticeably twitchier than stock, but it corners great. Actually I wouldn't even say that it is twitchy. It simply goes where you point it :

[gooniac1]

Originally Posted by kommon_sense

toe out on the front :
- increases high speed stability
- gives good initial turn-in
- is very bad for steering coming out of a turn

toe in on the front :
- makes car twitchy at high speed
- bad initial turn-in
- is very good for steering coming out of a turn

zero toe in the front :
- car is a little "twitchier" than stock at high speeds
- good initial turn in
- good steering coming out of a turn

so all depends on what you are doing. zero toe is a great balance and I love it. I actually run zero toe on the front and rear. My car is noticeably twitchier than stock, but it corners great. Actually I wouldn't even say that it is twitchy. It simply goes where you point it :

thanx again. I used to live in the hills and could have used all that then but with the driving I do now I will leave things stock. However when I get my track car I will keep that in mind. I am wanting to get an EF set up for track days and may try what you suggest for that.