Bang 4 the Buck: DSM vs. Hatch - Honda Forum / Acura Forum

hondakilr · 12-30-2006, 09:44 PM

Hey guys, I have a quick question.

I dont mean to offend anyone, but I know someone who refuses to believe that its easier to make more power for less money out of a turbocharged car from the factory.

Say we have $5000 to spend with the following two STOCK cars.

90-92 1g DSM AWD or FWD doesn't matter

92-95 EG Hatch

If 5k is dumped into both cars, which car will be faster at the end of the day? 1/4 mile and from a roll.

simple question I want simple answers please. No bashing

RoadRageMotors · 12-31-2006, 12:14 AM

dsm hands down

DriftKingBP · 12-31-2006, 12:36 AM

Ininially I would think that an AWD car will have the advantage, but really you could go many different ways with the money, they would prob be equals, but the eg would need an engine swap, and the DSM could prob keep the stock motor and that would leave more $$$ for modification

tienlude · 12-31-2006, 12:55 AM

awd dsm will get raped froma roll with a hatch. a front wheel drive dsm and a hatch is a drivers race. the two cars, same amount of money....it just depends really.

hondakilr · 12-31-2006, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tienlude

awd dsm will get raped froma roll with a hatch. a front wheel drive dsm and a hatch is a drivers race. the two cars, same amount of money....it just depends really.

The amount of $$$ the hatch will need for a motor swap, trans, axels, motor mounts and ECU will be money that could be used for a monster turbo on the AWD DSM. How does the hatch possibly have a chance when it is close to 2 seconds slower on the 1/4 mile stock than both DSM's?

More opinions needed please.

tienlude · 12-31-2006, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hondakilr

The amount of $$$ the hatch will need for a motor swap, trans, axels, motor mounts and ECU will be money that could be used for a monster turbo on the AWD DSM. How does the hatch possibly have a chance when it is close to 2 seconds slower on the 1/4 mile stock than both DSM's?

More opinions needed please.

did i not just say from a FUKIN roll. jeesus, you cant just DISECT a graph and argue what benefits you.

tienlude · 12-31-2006, 05:36 AM

you know fawk it.

give me 5k....here i go...

a hatch
-buy either a
1 redtop H
2type r
3siRII

they all got lsd(this will help from a dig, but its nothing compared to awd)

my bet is on the red top H over dsm any day.

im NOT sayin dsm's not fast.

but if an awd dsm had to push almost 30 bls to just walk my lude on the highway while on dsm link.....gawd forbid he races a hatch with a RED top.

and all this is assuming, the dsm dont pull over on its own from one of its NUMEROUS prone antics....

tienlude · 12-31-2006, 05:40 AM

wat you gone do with that dsm?

bigger turbo?
k, injectors, dsm link, cams, FRONTMOUNT, better turbo mani, gawd forbid N E goes bad while you doin just that....new piping and clamps, you cant just throw 5k on a dsm and be like, " yo, im mad fast" without spending moeny on it to keep it from breaking down. thats a fact. 5k isnt enough for a dsm, and thats why my bets on the hatch with a red top H, that dsm isnt goin to make enough power to smoke a hatch with an H, at the track? yea, if the dsm is awd, but i doubt a front wheel drive could take a hatch with red H in it. tahts a drivers race.

tienlude · 12-31-2006, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hondakilr

monster turbo on the AWD DSM.

jeesus, monster turbo? is that it? you slap on a mosnter turbo and the dsm will just go bout its biz like it was born with a monster turbo....you cant be serious....youll go over 5k easily with a MONSTER turbo...

tienlude · 12-31-2006, 05:46 AM

......sorry for the emotional outburst....im kinda pissed bout other shit rite now...

hondakilr · 12-31-2006, 11:51 AM

You cant blame the CAR for being unreliable, its the owners fault.

My last DSM had over 225k on it and I had no problem walking STi's, EVO's, Stangs, LS1's..its all in the OWNERS hand. I have video proof as well. Go to streetfire and just type in 'nomie' you will see what I mean.

Anyone else have any opinions?

tienlude · 12-31-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hondakilr

You cant blame the CAR for being unreliable, its the owners fault.
...........

not true. dsm's are prone to nasty crankwalks and them pos 7 bolt configurations is satans gift to man.

your cars reliability is an anomaly, i hope u realize just how a big deal that is, considering a good portion of my counterparts are dsm'ers, i know of only ONE who has a reliable car....and runs a consistent 13.

umair · 12-31-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hondakilr

You cant blame the CAR for being unreliable, its the owners fault.

My last DSM had over 225k on it and I had no problem walking STi's, EVO's, Stangs, LS1's..its all in the OWNERS hand. I have video proof as well. Go to streetfire and just type in 'nomie' you will see what I mean.

Anyone else have any opinions?

umm....you had to rebuild the moter.

My last DSM had over 225k on it and I had no problem walking STi's, EVO's, Stangs, LS1's..its all in the OWNERS hand. I have video proof as well. Go to streetfire and just type in 'nomie' you will see what I mean.

but you couldwnt beat a bolted rsx.

the only car you did beat in the videos(from that list) was an sti.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...06f8a70591.htm

RoadRageMotors · 12-31-2006, 02:49 PM

i have a 5k dsm its over 500 whp its the cheepest speed money buys

just rember when bilding cheep cars nos is your freind
in the end i have 7k in the car now and all the red rice is gone.

RoadRageMotors · 12-31-2006, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tienlude

not true. dsm's are prone to nasty crankwalks and them pos 7 bolt configurations is satans gift to man.

your cars reliability is an anomaly, i hope u realize just how a big deal that is, considering a good portion of my counterparts are dsm'ers, i know of only ONE who has a reliable car....and runs a consistent 13.

seven bolt cranks were only in the second gen eclipse as far a first gen eclipse they are reliable and light weight and the motor is almost bullet proof, the only this that is bad about the eclipse is the transfercase. with slicks you can shread it easly around 300hp, but with street tires and the right clutch it will never fail

what ever you chouse you will have fun but rember eg's and dsm's dont get much respect anymore, you could score a integra gsr for around 5k with high miles.
i dont know about where you are from but where i am from if you are not pushing a 35k or more car you will have to prove its fast often

anyway good luck