Well, this is my first venture into the bike forum, and am hoping some of you guys could give me some info, or turn me to the best resources.
My 4th year in Mechanical-Automotive Engineering is approaching, and we do a design project to culminate everything. I'm going to be on the FSAE team. We design and build a Formula car (you can check it out by searching up Formula SAE, there are hundreds of Universities across the world that compete), that uses the CBR600 motor.
Now, not many of the students on these teams are hardcore Honda motor fanatics like we are. I am hoping to put my knowledge of Honda motors to use to get the most of the 600cc motor. The only rule is that the displacement must remain at 600cc (and some intake/exhaust restrictor plates).
My questions are:
Upgrade parts availability
How the motor reacts to head building/bottom end building
How the motor reacts to upped compression/big cams (I assume DOHC?)
What kind of tuning support there is for the engine
And maybe even how it would respond to boost
Main aspects of the competition is a Drag Race, Stopping Power, Auto-Cross, and Endurance Race. So I'm looking for tuning that can switch up the powerbands for the drag, auto-x, and endurance. And then build the motor as much as possible while keeping 600cc to make the best powerband.
Thanks a bunch, any info/comments is greatly appreciated...
Oh, and I wouldn't mind buying a CBR sometime for myself as well.
Well, this is my first venture into the bike forum, and am hoping some of you guys could give me some info, or turn me to the best resources.
My 4th year in Mechanical-Automotive Engineering is approaching, and we do a design project to culminate everything. I'm going to be on the FSAE team. We design and build a Formula car (you can check it out by searching up Formula SAE, there are hundreds of Universities across the world that compete), that uses the CBR600 motor.
Now, not many of the students on these teams are hardcore Honda motor fanatics like we are. I am hoping to put my knowledge of Honda motors to use to get the most of the 600cc motor. The only rule is that the displacement must remain at 600cc (and some intake/exhaust restrictor plates).
My questions are:
Upgrade parts availability
How the motor reacts to head building/bottom end building
How the motor reacts to upped compression/big cams (I assume DOHC?)
What kind of tuning support there is for the engine
And maybe even how it would respond to boost
Main aspects of the competition is a Drag Race, Stopping Power, Auto-Cross, and Endurance Race. So I'm looking for tuning that can switch up the powerbands for the drag, auto-x, and endurance. And then build the motor as much as possible while keeping 600cc to make the best powerband.
Thanks a bunch, any info/comments is greatly appreciated...
Oh, and I wouldn't mind buying a CBR sometime for myself as well.
We are not able to mod our Honda 600 on my alma mater's FSAE team. You can play with I/H/E of course. We actually won the muffler competition with our compartmentalized design muffler that only had the slightest big more back pressure but reduced the acoustic output by 25 dB.
Unfortunately the kid who took over welding was horrible and I got a call from my professor who supervises the team to reweld the bulk of the frame but it was a lot of work and I couldn't take of 3 days of work to do this for them. The moron was using the wrong shielding gas, and he was using the 100% tungsten electrodes which is meant for aluminum welding. The weld were so brittle and sugary that there was no way that car could be put on the track.
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there are three things: power, reliability, and money. you can only have two.
We are not able to mod our Honda 600 on my alma mater's FSAE team. You can play with I/H/E of course. We actually won the muffler competition with our compartmentalized design muffler that only had the slightest big more back pressure but reduced the acoustic output by 25 dB.
Unfortunately the kid who took over welding was horrible and I got a call from my professor who supervises the team to reweld the bulk of the frame but it was a lot of work and I couldn't take of 3 days of work to do this for them. The moron was using the wrong shielding gas, and he was using the 100% tungsten electrodes which is meant for aluminum welding. The weld were so brittle and sugary that there was no way that car could be put on the track.
Yea, it's definitely a team effort, for better or for worse. The biggest thing other than I/H/E that I've read about teams trying, is boost. I'm hoping to at least slap together a really ghetto turbo setup on an older motor we have lying around, and then run it on our engine dyno just to see where we can take this thing.
I just want to try and take advantage of how I know Honda motors respond to different mods, and the limits you can take them to.
I'm taking a noise course as my one non-automotive technical elective, so I'll keep muffler design in mind as well.
Yeah acoustics was rough.....some absolutely unbelievable differential equations (linear and nonlinear....some very ugly partial) with really nasty series solutions.....sorry, bringing up bad memories . Anyway that aside, as I'm sure you know with academics there is always the simplified model based of of sometimes overly simplistic assumptions that make doing analysis much easier.
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there are three things: power, reliability, and money. you can only have two.
Yeah acoustics was rough.....some absolutely unbelievable differential equations (linear and nonlinear....some very ugly partial) with really nasty series solutions.....sorry, bringing up bad memories . Anyway that aside, as I'm sure you know with academics there is always the simplified model based of of sometimes overly simplistic assumptions that make doing analysis much easier.
I'm counting on it.
p.s., I thought I left Differential Equations behind in 2nd year...
Thanks. We're getting into it right about now. We're actually "building" two formula cars this year. We're going to modify and improve this year's design (slap on a Garrett turbo, Traction Control, and Suspension) and race it in the last race eligible in 2009 for the '08 teams, and then we're going to build and design our own for competition in Germany, and hopefully Michigan if we get it done in time.
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. Anyway that aside, as I'm sure you know with academics there is always the simplified model based of of sometimes overly simplistic assumptions that make doing analysis much easier.
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