Originally posted by CivicSiBeast ...hey BDC, whats wrong with GL5? Thats all they had at Kragan Autoparts.
GL-5 gears oils, which are required in most hypoid differentials, are NOT made to be used in synchromesh transmissions and transaxles because the chemicals used to provide the extreme pressure protection can be corrosive to synchronizers, which are commonly made of brass or bronze. GL-5 gear oil will eat your Honda tranny from the inside out, starting with the synchros!
BEWARE!!! Typically, the use of a GL-5 lubricant in a synchromesh transmission will shorten the synchronizer life by one half.
The extreme pressure requirements of spur gears and helical gears found in transmissions are not nearly as great as found in rear-wheel drive differentials. GL-4 lubricant provides adequate protection for most manual transmissions, unless a unique design consideration requires the extra protection of a GL-5. Generally speaking, you should NEVER use GL-5 gear oil in ANY transmission, but this is especially true with Honda transaxles.
While motor oils are much more fluid at lower temperatures than gear oils, and they are not corrosive toward synchros, they provide VERY poor gear protection. These lubricants provide almost no extreme-pressure protection. In addition, multigrade motor oils have very poor shear stability. The shearing action by a manual transmission on thickeners is much worse than in an engine. Within 5,000 miles the thickeners can be rendered ineffective and the transmission will be operating on a much reduced level of protection. In hot weather these transmissions will whine and rattle because of poor vibration dampening and metal contact.
Red Line MTL and MT-90 provides the excellent gear protection of a GL-4 gear oil in a synthetic base which spans hot and cold temperatures and will not shear or oxidize with use. The only difference is MT-90 is a little 'thicker' than MTL. Other than that, they use the same chemistry. Once again, Red Line synthetic gear oil is the bomb...
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BDC: when changing transmission fluid, (my 92 civic h/b dx), i believe you are supposed to have the car on level ground. when checking the level, level ground also. how were u able to add the fluid in your tranny with it level? or i mean, did u have a lift? cause i know if the car is at an angle, the fill bolt reading will be off..thanks !
Good lube, like Red Line MTL/MT-90 or Neo 7W is less than double that price. IMHO, this is the wrong time to get chincy. You're talking 8 bones vs. 16 for the best synthetic oil in the world. It's false-economy, if you ask me...
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Originally posted by civic type r BDC: when changing transmission fluid, (my 92 civic h/b dx), i believe you are supposed to have the car on level ground. when checking the level, level ground also. how were u able to add the fluid in your tranny with it level? or i mean, did u have a lift? cause i know if the car is at an angle, the fill bolt reading will be off..thanks !
If you are just checking it, like during a [motor] oil change, fluid should flow out of the 'fill' hole as soon as you remove the plug. If it doesn't, stick your 'pinky' in there. It should come out drenched in oil. If it doesn't, you definitely need to add oil.
Once again, when I change tranny oil, I drain it from underneath, but I refill it using a funnel with a long hose from the engine bay, with the car sitting flat on the ground. It takes a little less than 2 quarts of tranny fluid.
Really, I don't think it makes much difference whether the car is perfectly level or not when you check it, change it or whatever. If that is a concern for you, just put your ride on jacks when going through this procedure. It's probably safer doing it that way anyway, you know?
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Good lube, like Red Line MTL/MT-90 or Neo 7W is less than double that price. IMHO, this is the wrong time to get chincy. You're talking 8 bones vs. 16 for the best synthetic oil in the world. It's false-economy, if you ask me...
is that other stuff that much better? i do notice that now in colder weather my tranny isnt that smooth. its clunky but as long as it dont grind. ill drop some of that honda fluid in and see if it makes it as smooth as a new car.
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Originally posted by asianpride559 is that other stuff that much better?...
Yes, it IS that much better!
I bought my CiViC new. Right off 'the showroom', it was practically impossible to get into reverse. Worse yet, it would pop out of reverse with a BANG. I was told this was normal, and to give it a few miles. I did and it got worse.
At 9,000 miles I noticed the shifting was getting very 'notchy' for lack of a better word. Out of desperation and exasperation, I decided to change the tranny fluid and see if that would help. I did a LOT of research, and found out Red Line MTL was what a lot of racers were using. As a matter of fact, I had to buy it at a racing supply house; nobody else carried it.
Since then, my Honda dealer, Showcase Honda in Phoenix, has started carrying Red Line MTL and Neo 7W tranny oil in their parts department. This should lay to rest any concerns ppl have as to whether it these synthetic tranny oils will hurt your Honda transaxle and/or affect your warranty.
To make a long story short, I switched to Red Line MTL and ALL my shifting problems went away. My only concern was how 'thin' the oil was. So, in the summer months, I decided to use Red Line MT-90. I doubt if this makes any difference - it just makes ME feel better.
Bottom line is: I have almost 70,000 miles on my ride, and it shifts better now than it did when I drove it off 'the showroom.' The oil always comes out crystal clear when I change it; no sign of metal particles in it. This sh!t is the bomb!
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Originally posted by BlackDeuceCoupe Yes, it IS that much better!
I bought my CiViC new. Right off 'the showroom', it was practically impossible to get into reverse. Worse yet, it would pop out of reverse with a BANG. I was told this was normal, and to give it a few miles. I did and it got worse.
At 9,000 miles I noticed the shifting was getting very 'notchy' for lack of a better word. Out of desperation and exasperation, I decided to change the tranny fluid and see if that would help. I did a LOT of research, and found out Red Line MTL was what a lot of racers were using. As a matter of fact, I had to buy it at a racing supply house; nobody else carried it.
Since then, my Honda dealer, Showcase Honda in Phoenix, has started carrying Red Line MTL and Neo 7W tranny oil in their parts department. This should lay to rest any concerns ppl have as to whether it these synthetic tranny oils will hurt your Honda transaxle and/or affect your warranty.
To make a long story short, I switched to Red Line MTL and ALL my shifting problems went away. My only concern was how 'thin' the oil was. So, in the summer months, I decided to use Red Line MT-90. I doubt if this makes any difference - it just makes ME feel better.
Bottom line is: I have almost 70,000 miles on my ride, and it shifts better now than it did when I drove it off 'the showroom.' The oil always comes out crystal clear when I change it; no sign of metal particles in it. This sh!t is the bomb!
the dealer carrys redline now? which redline should i get if i dont end up getting the Honda one? dont know why your car brand new had problems right off lot. mine dont have the reverse problem but i miss that feeling of that perfectly smooth shifting
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Originally posted by asianpride559 ill see sup with it later. who sells them?kragen or pepboys? or do i need to go to those race shops where they sell high octane race gas?
my local pepboys doesn't sell it and we don't have kragen around these parts. I ended up going to an import/racer-supply store to get mine. You can also order it online. Check out these guys :
Originally posted by asianpride559 the dealer carrys redline now? which redline should i get if i dont end up getting the Honda one? dont know why your car brand new had problems right off lot. mine dont have the reverse problem but i miss that feeling of that perfectly smooth shifting
For MOST ppl, Red Line MTL will work the best year 'round. With MT-90, you'll have to let the oil warm up for a couple of miles before slamming it through the gears.
I drive a LOT of highway miles in Arizona. This is one of the hottest places on Earth in the summer. I run Red Line MT-90 in the summer, for a little extra protection, but MTL would probably work fine. As I said, I do it for my own piece-of-mind as much as anything...
Red Line is the REAL thing. It isn't snake oil. You aren't going to find it most places. I would suggest you call around to drag race supply houses in your area. In this area, I buy it at Loper's Speed Shop. You can buy it on the Internet too. If you don't have any 'speed shops' in your area, the Internet will be your best option.
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