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Old 11-08-2006, 06:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Preparing D16 for Boost

Not too many responses in the Turbocharger forum, so I thought I'd ask up here. Hope ya don't mind.

I have a 95 Civic EX Coupe with a D16Z6 that I am trying to build the motor to prepare for boost. Please don't take these questions below as a noob... I have been looking at doing this for quite a while and only recently did I get the necessary funds. I made the questions simple to be easily answered, not because I don't know what I am doing.

It seems as though people forget two very important things when answering me.
1) I have roughly $3000 into my COMPLETE performance suspension package - Including a Quaife LSD.
2) I have a Hondata S300 with GEARING DEPENDENT boost control enabled.


There are obviously other modifications, but are currently irrelevent to these questions.

Relevant Details:
* This will be a STREET CAR mainly that will see (at the most) one or two auto-x days and maybe a drag day or two.
* I only want to run up to 93 octane.
* Money is OF NO CONCERN. <-- Please don't make me repeat this.
* I would like for it to pull all the way to redline (approx 8000 rpms). Not necessary, but a wish. (Basically, I want to have the fastest street drivable car as possible with this SOHC.)
* I want to do this one time, reliably, the correct way, the first time.
* I want to keep my AC/PS.

Simplified version of Plans: <-- Don't worry about the details
* Full motor build from valvetrain to balanced crankshaft.
* Turbo

Questions:
* Should I sleeve? Adds to reliability... gives room to grow...
* What should my HP/TQ goals be given numbers 1 & 2 above? (I have a good idea, but want to know what others think.)
* Is there any other/better turbo for me than the GT2871R?
* Correct manifold to use knowing that I want to keep AC/PS? Cast - like InlinePro or Drag, or Tubular Log, Mini Ram, or Full Ram (spoolinperformance makes a full Ram that is AC/PS compatible.)

Thanks for your LEGITIMATE responses.
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Old 11-08-2006, 07:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't know all of the answers, but oh whell. All the guys I talk to at Edelbrock say if you have your block open, you might as well sleeve it. Golden Eagle makes some good sleeves, but really the sleeve job depends on the shop you get to do it since most sleeves are made out of the same stuff. GE sleeves are rated to 1200hp, even though that's impossible for a civic. Your stock sleeves can only handle up to 300hp.

Pistons/Rods are pretty obvious. It really depends on what kind of money you want to spend. If you get new sleeves and get the cylinders bored out, you could increase your displacement and get some more power with bigger slugs. That's what I would do if money is no option and I wanted a ton of power, but unfortunately I'm on a budget

If you're going to rev up to 8k a lot, an upgraded and reinforced valvetrain with a balanced crankshaft would be able to handle it, if not increase your red line. You can get your crankshaft balanced at quite a few machine shops, you just have to check locally.

The bigger turbo you get, the longer it's going to take to spool up. I think a T28 is fine and that's what I'm going to get. If you're going to keep the car up at high rpms and high boost, a bigger turbo will open up more power. It really depends what you want to use the car for.

If you get all of that stuff, and run a good amount of PSI, 350hp is definitely reachable. But really your HP/TQ depends on what PSI you run. With my setup, I want to set my wastegate at 7psi, and get a boost controller so I can 'trick' it up to 20 when I want to melt faces.

As for your manifold, each has its ups and downs. Log manifolds are good for lower end power, but since Civics don't have much to start with, I really don't see the point. To keep your AC/PS, it really depends on the individual manifold you get, as well as your downpipe's size/layout. I'm going to run a 2.5" exhaust and downpipe since I'm only shooting for aorund 300hp. A 3 inch exhaust is better for high HP applications, and you can get some that will bend to fit around your AC and stuff, but you have to watch out for kinks and other restrictions to the air flow.

Hope that helps!

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lol sorry, my superior knowledge of anything and everything killed your thread!

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but seriously.

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lol sorry, my superior knowledge of anything and everything killed your thread!
funny

It was all good info... just lookin for as many opinions as possible.

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