sohc vtec?

[WVU97GS-R]

Originally Posted by Anomoly

vtec is not all to be worshipped, look at TODA they have cams that disable vtec..... anyways IMO any B series is better than a D series because of the availability of gearing changes in the tranny....gearing a car properly, can make the diffrence between having a bone stock b16, and hanging with that boosted d16, or getting smoked by that d16...granted the boosted car will probly start to beat you around 80-90 MPH... its still enough to make them shit themselves and feeling stupid for almost getting beat by a stock NA

it's called net tq and net hp. but you can only gear so much. raw power will eventually prevail. you can run shorter gears to make up for your lack of power but keep in mind that if you go to short you'll have to start adding gears like a 6spd vs a 5spd. but more gears also means time lost shifting....... but i see what you're saying.

[drummingpariah]

Originally Posted by WVU97GS-R

common sense > noobs

Heh heh. Sig worthy.

[festivagt]

First - Vtec E
d15z1 and d16y5 civic VX and HX
Second - VTEC
d16z6 and d16y8 civic EX and SI
Everything else was non vtec and basically the same engine from 88' up.(with the exception of intake manifolds and the 8 valve engines)

Those were yor only options for Vtec on 2000 and older SOHC engines that were labeled as a D in the USDM.

The TODA killer cams you speak of operate on VTEC sized lobes only - there are no other lobes on them. So disabled? They are just made to operate on the Vtec sized lobes only. TODA does offer other stock style cams too. (diff grinds of course)

Your not gonna get much shorter than a set of B16a gears - they get smoked all the time by boosted d's. Even with a higher final. You cannot get around the fact that the boosted car has more power UNDER the curve. Peak power is great to brag about - but the real factor is how much of it is actually useable - and for how long in the RPM band? Dump it on REV limiter with your B. The d boosts and has an additional well, lets be conservative - 40 - 50 hp where the B does not - lets also talk about that thing called torque - Show me ANY stock N/A B that has ANY to speak of. Sorry - I own almost a dozen different Hondas. All with different combos in them. I have love for ALL of the engines, but when it comes to talking smack about what is and what isn't. I just can't stand to hear what isn't being stated as what is. (if you kept up with that - - )
HENRY

[WVU97GS-R]

Originally Posted by festivagt

First - Vtec E
d15z1 and d16y5 civic VX and HX
Second - VTEC
d16z6 and d16y8 civic EX and SI
Everything else was non vtec and basically the same engine from 88' up.(with the exception of intake manifolds and the 8 valve engines)

Those were yor only options for Vtec on 2000 and older SOHC engines that were labeled as a D in the USDM.

The TODA killer cams you speak of operate on VTEC sized lobes only - there are no other lobes on them. So disabled? They are just made to operate on the Vtec sized lobes only. TODA does offer other stock style cams too. (diff grinds of course)

Your not gonna get much shorter than a set of B16a gears - they get smoked all the time by boosted d's. Even with a higher final. You cannot get around the fact that the boosted car has more power UNDER the curve. Peak power is great to brag about - but the real factor is how much of it is actually useable - and for how long in the RPM band? Dump it on REV limiter with your B. The d boosts and has an additional well, lets be conservative - 40 - 50 hp where the B does not - lets also talk about that thing called torque - Show me ANY stock N/A B that has ANY to speak of. Sorry - I own almost a dozen different Hondas. All with different combos in them. I have love for ALL of the engines, but when it comes to talking smack about what is and what isn't. I just can't stand to hear what isn't being stated as what is. (if you kept up with that - - )
HENRY

yes disabled. they aren't vtec lobes. vtec is a process. cam lobes are cam lobes. so yes vtec is disabled. vtec is the ability to switch between different lobes to optimise your powerband. so yes vtec is disabled

[mocha907]

MIVEC's better hope to have that in my car next year. to bad it's so damn expensive. a MIVEC head is like $4000

[WVU97GS-R]

Originally Posted by mocha907

MIVEC's better hope to have that in my car next year. to bad it's so damn expensive. a MIVEC head is like $4000

sure about that? look at the nissan "vtec" motors
Nissan SR engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[mocha907]

Originally Posted by WVU97GS-R

sure about that? look at the nissan "vtec" motors
Nissan SR engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lol i was kidding about the better part anyway.

[WVU97GS-R]

i know i was being a smartass.

[costang]

Originally Posted by WVU97GS-R

honestly not knocking our but i'd take a boosted d-series over a b16 any day of the week.

Amen...

[JayBurd3]

I have a 97 civic d16y8 with a sohc vtec and if im in second gear and get close to 5thousand rpm it kicks in. It will feel like the power band on a dirt bike just a little push but nothing big!!!!

[HonduhDave]

Damn, I left this thread before all the shit talking started. I knew there had to be a reason this thread was still going, it certainly wasn't because of the importance of the question . Are we really arguing about D series VTEC engagement points and how hard we are with our SOHC Hondas...

[festivagt]

Vtec disabled assumes anything to do with vtec would still be there just turned off - With the TODA killer's there is NO VTEC. NONE - NOTHING TO DISABLE. IT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM SERVICE. So disabling somthing that is not there? Show me how. In order to use the TODA Killer's you must remove the VTEC rockers and supporting equipment essentially eliminating it. Disabling it would mean you were pulling the connectors off of the solenoid(or somthing of the like). Basically turning it off and not removing it.
I also said VTEC SIZED LOBES. NOT VTEC LOBES. I understand what you were saying, just not appreciating the way you presented it.
HENRY

[WVU97GS-R]

Originally Posted by festivagt