vtec is not all to be worshipped, look at TODA they have cams that disable vtec..... anyways IMO any B series is better than a D series because of the availability of gearing changes in the tranny....gearing a car properly, can make the diffrence between having a bone stock b16, and hanging with that boosted d16, or getting smoked by that d16...granted the boosted car will probly start to beat you around 80-90 MPH... its still enough to make them shit themselves and feeling stupid for almost getting beat by a stock NA
it's called net tq and net hp. but you can only gear so much. raw power will eventually prevail. you can run shorter gears to make up for your lack of power but keep in mind that if you go to short you'll have to start adding gears like a 6spd vs a 5spd. but more gears also means time lost shifting....... but i see what you're saying.
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First - Vtec E
d15z1 and d16y5 civic VX and HX
Second - VTEC
d16z6 and d16y8 civic EX and SI
Everything else was non vtec and basically the same engine from 88' up.(with the exception of intake manifolds and the 8 valve engines)
Those were yor only options for Vtec on 2000 and older SOHC engines that were labeled as a D in the USDM.
The TODA killer cams you speak of operate on VTEC sized lobes only - there are no other lobes on them. So disabled? They are just made to operate on the Vtec sized lobes only. TODA does offer other stock style cams too. (diff grinds of course)
Your not gonna get much shorter than a set of B16a gears - they get smoked all the time by boosted d's. Even with a higher final. You cannot get around the fact that the boosted car has more power UNDER the curve. Peak power is great to brag about - but the real factor is how much of it is actually useable - and for how long in the RPM band? Dump it on REV limiter with your B. The d boosts and has an additional well, lets be conservative - 40 - 50 hp where the B does not - lets also talk about that thing called torque - Show me ANY stock N/A B that has ANY to speak of. Sorry - I own almost a dozen different Hondas. All with different combos in them. I have love for ALL of the engines, but when it comes to talking smack about what is and what isn't. I just can't stand to hear what isn't being stated as what is. (if you kept up with that - - )
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First - Vtec E
d15z1 and d16y5 civic VX and HX
Second - VTEC
d16z6 and d16y8 civic EX and SI
Everything else was non vtec and basically the same engine from 88' up.(with the exception of intake manifolds and the 8 valve engines)
Those were yor only options for Vtec on 2000 and older SOHC engines that were labeled as a D in the USDM.
The TODA killer cams you speak of operate on VTEC sized lobes only - there are no other lobes on them. So disabled? They are just made to operate on the Vtec sized lobes only. TODA does offer other stock style cams too. (diff grinds of course)
Your not gonna get much shorter than a set of B16a gears - they get smoked all the time by boosted d's. Even with a higher final. You cannot get around the fact that the boosted car has more power UNDER the curve. Peak power is great to brag about - but the real factor is how much of it is actually useable - and for how long in the RPM band? Dump it on REV limiter with your B. The d boosts and has an additional well, lets be conservative - 40 - 50 hp where the B does not - lets also talk about that thing called torque - Show me ANY stock N/A B that has ANY to speak of. Sorry - I own almost a dozen different Hondas. All with different combos in them. I have love for ALL of the engines, but when it comes to talking smack about what is and what isn't. I just can't stand to hear what isn't being stated as what is. (if you kept up with that - - )
HENRY
yes disabled. they aren't vtec lobes. vtec is a process. cam lobes are cam lobes. so yes vtec is disabled. vtec is the ability to switch between different lobes to optimise your powerband. so yes vtec is disabled
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I have a 97 civic d16y8 with a sohc vtec and if im in second gear and get close to 5thousand rpm it kicks in. It will feel like the power band on a dirt bike just a little push but nothing big!!!!
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Damn, I left this thread before all the shit talking started. I knew there had to be a reason this thread was still going, it certainly wasn't because of the importance of the question . Are we really arguing about D series VTEC engagement points and how hard we are with our SOHC Hondas...
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Vtec disabled assumes anything to do with vtec would still be there just turned off - With the TODA killer's there is NO VTEC. NONE - NOTHING TO DISABLE. IT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM SERVICE. So disabling somthing that is not there? Show me how. In order to use the TODA Killer's you must remove the VTEC rockers and supporting equipment essentially eliminating it. Disabling it would mean you were pulling the connectors off of the solenoid(or somthing of the like). Basically turning it off and not removing it.
I also said VTEC SIZED LOBES. NOT VTEC LOBES. I understand what you were saying, just not appreciating the way you presented it.
HENRY
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Your RICECAR is NOT a RACECAR - Don't drive it like one.
Used clutches are alot like toilet paper - Why would you reuse it?
Vtec disabled assumes anything to do with vtec would still be there just turned off - With the TODA killer's there is NO VTEC. NONE - NOTHING TO DISABLE. IT HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM SERVICE. So disabling somthing that is not there? Show me how. In order to use the TODA Killer's you must remove the VTEC rockers and supporting equipment essentially eliminating it. Disabling it would mean you were pulling the connectors off of the solenoid(or somthing of the like). Basically turning it off and not removing it. I also said VTEC SIZED LOBES. NOT VTEC LOBES. I understand what you were saying, just not appreciating the way you presented it.
HENRY
contradiction vtec sized lobes implies that their are vtec lobes. and it's not true. cam lobes are cam lobes. not all vtec motors even have bigger lobes. look at a vtec-e motor. so what you meant and what you said are still a contradiction. If you remove the vtec system you are disabling it's vtec capabilities. vtec is more than just cams and rocker arms, it's a complete system upon itself. like i said there are factory vtec motors that don't have the system that you mentioned. you're arguing semantics
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i understand how gearing and such works, which is why i said around 80-90 mph the turbo would walk on a geared b-series you would simply run out of gears and apparently i started some fuss about toda..... and to jayburd...apparently you havent ridden a dirtbike in a while, cause vtec feels NOTHING like a powerband in a dirtbike EX: my 2004 CR250 will pull the front end off the ground, and you gotta hold on tight when you hit the powerband but in a car with vtec, ive never felt an OMG HOLY SHEET super powerband pull
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so fuckin blow those words out the back of your head, ive heard it all and im done with that shit
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Originally Posted by WVU97GS-R
contradiction vtec sized lobes implies that their are vtec lobes. and it's not true. cam lobes are cam lobes. not all vtec motors even have bigger lobes. look at a vtec-e motor. so what you meant and what you said are still a contradiction. If you remove the vtec system you are disabling it's vtec capabilities. vtec is more than just cams and rocker arms, it's a complete system upon itself. like i said there are factory vtec motors that don't have the system that you mentioned. you're arguing semantics
I SAID 'SIZED' - I am using the VTEC reference to a term of --MEASUREMENT-- NOT AS IN THEY ARE PRESENT. As for ANYTHING you say about DISABLED -
A straight up DEFINITION of the word. Removal IS NOT the same a disabling. Disabling states that everything is there and can be used at a moments notice - It is simply SHUT OFF. Removal is not disabled - And YES - The VTEC CAN BE DISABLED AND NOT REMOVED. The TODA cams REQUIRE REMOVAL of almost ALL VTEC COMPONENTS to be used(cams and rockers). The only other parts that make up a Vtec system are the solenoids and the ECU. The only reason to leave the Vtec solenoids is so the oil doesn't pour out of the engine. Otherwise put on a block off plate.
Kind of hard to argue about anything little alone semantics when nothing you state is correct to begin with. Please READ what I have WRITTEN in the ORIGINAL POST - AGAIN.
HENRY
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Used clutches are alot like toilet paper - Why would you reuse it?
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hope to have that in my car next year. to bad it's so damn expensive. a MIVEC head is like $4000
power ban!!
. Are we really arguing about D series VTEC engagement points and how hard we are with our SOHC Hondas...
and to jayburd...apparently you havent ridden a dirtbike in a while, cause vtec feels NOTHING like a powerband in a dirtbike EX: my 2004 CR250 will pull the front end off the ground, and you gotta hold on tight when you hit the powerband but in a car with vtec, ive never felt an OMG HOLY SHEET 
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