94 ls 4 door vs. 91 ls 2 door - Honda Forum / Acura Forum

SRLNCLT · 06-12-2005, 08:46 AM

K, I'm new to the integra. My father and I are looking to buy a 90-95 Integra for taking out to our local track and race. It may also be used as a light daily driver. I'm not wanting to do anything too crazy with it buy in the furture we may possibly turbo it. Right now we're looking at a 94 ls 4 door, milano red, 125000 miles. The original owner is selling it. Great interior. Just steam cleaned the engine and it looks like new. I've seen pics of other 94-96 tegs and the black paint is coming off the valve cover, well not on this one. I can't get over how clean the engine is. K, now on to the bad part. Typical woman driver. There are probably about 15-20 dings dents on it. Most could be taken out with paintless dent removal. The right front fender is pretty mashed up. It probably needs to be replaced. But it's for racing, so it doesn't have to be perfect. They were asking $2700, my dad offered $2000. They said $2500, he offered $2300. They wouldn't go down anymore.

Here is the next one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT
This is for sale here locally. If I purchased it through the dealer it would be $3600. But as you can see, on ebay it probably won't get up that high. So I figue $1500-2000. But check the higher mileage and I'm not crazy on white. And the chrome would be gone.

I drove the 94 and it is solid. Already had timing belt changed. New tires, but those will be gone if we get it. It is an auto but that is alright. Everything works.

Now my question(s). Which should we go for? Please tell my why you feel this way. I'm gonna pass it on to my dad. Is he being crazy over $200? I think so. The 94 is really dirty on the outside, it's been sitting in the same spot for at least a month if not 2. The mileage is the part that I'm concerned about. Also, I love 4 doors that are fixed up so I really want the 94. Don't they have the same engine? The b18b1.

I'm not new to this game. As you can see in my sig, I now on an Element. I had a 96 Civic Lx that I had fixed up for a few years and then I wanted something different, hence the Element. It is great!!
Thanks for all your help!!!
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Prelude94' · 06-12-2005, 09:15 AM

they do have to same engine. If you plan on racing it i would go with the older teg. If its a DD then id get the new teg.

SRLNCLT · 06-12-2005, 10:25 AM

What's DD? Also, it is the LS Special Edition, the 91. What all does that include? I know it has leather, a spoiler, and sunroof. The dealer says the engine is strong. They said the only thing wrong with it is there is a hole in the drivers seat and the upper left shoulder.
Thanks for your help!!!
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SRLNCLT · 06-12-2005, 10:30 AM

Nevermind. duh, daily driver. haha. Is that because it is older and has more miles, the 91? Are the internals on the engines the same? I mean, is everything set up the same? Like for intakes, headers, exhaust? Are there any problems with either of the models?
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Dm3k1 · 06-12-2005, 11:41 AM

No, they have different engines. B18A1 vs B18B1. I say it really matters what you are doing. Since its a 91 it has a lighter body style which will help you off the line, but I think the 94 is going to be a better bet for you. The price is very similar plus you know how it was driven which is very important. You'll be pusing twelve more hp and 6 more lbs of torque, which is offset by the more weight. So in reality, i think they are both pretty equal i just think that you are safter with the 94.

SRLNCLT · 06-12-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dm3k1

No, they have different engines. B18A1 vs B18B1. I say it really matters what you are doing. Since its a 91 it has a lighter body style which will help you off the line, but I think the 94 is going to be a better bet for you. The price is very similar plus you know how it was driven which is very important. You'll be pusing twelve more hp and 6 more lbs of torque, which is offset by the more weight. So in reality, i think they are both pretty equal i just think that you are safter with the 94.

Why do you think the 94 would be better? Isn't that price for the 94 still pretty low, even if the passenger fender will need to be replaced and painted?
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Dm3k1 · 06-12-2005, 02:03 PM

You can get some cheap aftermarket fenders and put them on so thats no problem. If you can find a good deal on the paint job do it. If not like i said the 91 isnt a bad choice.

Prelude94' · 06-12-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dm3k1

No, they have different engines. B18A1 vs B18B1. I say it really matters what you are doing. Since its a 91 it has a lighter body style which will help you off the line, but I think the 94 is going to be a better bet for you. The price is very similar plus you know how it was driven which is very important. You'll be pusing twelve more hp and 6 more lbs of torque, which is offset by the more weight. So in reality, i think they are both pretty equal i just think that you are safter with the 94.

you might want to check out the power ratings on the a1 and b1. they are the same. The b18a only has 130 hp compared the the a1s' 142.

Dm3k1 · 06-12-2005, 06:43 PM

"The b18a only has 130 hp compared the the a1s' 142."
Yeah, thats what i said...
"You'll be pusing twelve more hp and 6 more lbs of torque"

Prelude94' · 06-12-2005, 09:26 PM

the b18b and the a1 have the same hp. b18a=130 b18a1=140 b18b= 140

Dm3k1 · 06-12-2005, 09:42 PM

Hmm, the 91 has a B18a1 130 @ 6000 rpm 121 lb/ft @ 5000 rpm
The 94 has a B18B1 142 @ 6300 rpm 127 lb/ft @ 5200 rpm

Yes in 92 it raised up to 140, but the a1 was 130 in 91.

what am i missing here? Im not discrediting you at all, im just confused.

rated_R · 06-12-2005, 11:22 PM

4dr auto VS 2dr 5spd. If your making a track car why are you even asking that question?

Prelude94' · 06-12-2005, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dm3k1

Hmm, the 91 has a B18a1 130 @ 6000 rpm 121 lb/ft @ 5000 rpm
The 94 has a B18B1 142 @ 6300 rpm 127 lb/ft @ 5200 rpm

Yes in 92 it raised up to 140, but the a1 was 130 in 91.

what am i missing here? Im not discrediting you at all, im just confused.

there were two different b18a's. the 90-91 teg b18a then there was the b18a1 with the new obd. then the b18b.

Prelude94' · 06-12-2005, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dm3k1

No, they have different engines. B18A1 vs B18B1. I say it really matters what you are doing. Since its a 91 it has a lighter body style which will help you off the line, but I think the 94 is going to be a better bet for you. The price is very similar plus you know how it was driven which is very important. You'll be pusing twelve more hp and 6 more lbs of torque, which is offset by the more weight. So in reality, i think they are both pretty equal i just think that you are safter with the 94.

you said the b18b1 pushes "twelve more hp and 6 more lbs of torque" when actually they are the same. Yes they are different engine but very slightly and the have the same hp. I think one of the only major differences is the valve cover.

95db8 · 06-13-2005, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rated_R

4dr auto VS 2dr 5spd. If your making a track car why are you even asking that question?

i agree.... you are worried about fenders and paintjobs, but do you plan on a manual swap in the future? thats a lot more expensive then body work.