b18b1 power......

[9teg8]

i'm new into the whole tuning scene and i have a stock 98 integra ls with a stock b18 in it i want some way to increase the horsepower which would also be useful when getting a turbo as im soon planning to do please anyone who tunes integras or has some knowledge please help me as all i have on my whole car is a mugen twin loop exhaust and need some horsepower
Any help would be appreciated

[CapnToll]

The two things that come to mind that work with an all motor and a boosted setup would be an Intake Manifold, and a nice set of cams (although it's easier to tune 'turbo cams' with a turbo setup).

Not where you should be looking. If you want to boost, just be patient and start piecing together all the necessary parts. Do a bunch of searches about boosting before you get heavy into just blindly searching for kits.

Here's a quick guide to what you need to check out first:
Different turbochargers
Turbo piping/plumbing
PSI vs Horsepower
Fuel delivery
Compression
Tuning

That's a really short list just to get you started on what you should start reading about on this forum, others, and the net in general.

Once you have a better idea of how this stuff works, set your goals, and come back with some more specific goal oriented questions

[TegTech]

Yeah, set goals before you start buying parts that might be useless later on. Try not to go cheap, and do the work yourself. Thats how most of us know how to work on hondas and the proper steps to getting reliable HP.

[holloway]

Research and more research that is what the key is to this. B18b's have good low end torque if you can match one with a Gs-r tranny it will be another animal.

[9teg8]

Well i have some sort of idea on like what to do but i was told that by doing an ls VTEC conversion with a type-r tranny would most likely be the best just stock engine set-up for boost but i really don't have much of an idea where to get stuff and what places are reliable research sites. I knew an intake manifold would be useful so i just within the past week got a type-r one with throttle body on it and went online to look some things up and now realize it won't fit so would i be better off to go to an aftermarket one or what. I really sound like a complete tard asking all this but the feedback is so greatly appreciated

Thanks.

[CapnToll]

Don't bother going ls/vtec if you want to boost. ls/vtec is just the poor man's stock VTEC setup, meaning it's less reliable than a stock VTEC setup. For boost, the only advantage of going with a VTEC head is for the better flow, but you won't see the big improvements with a mild build. Just keep the motor stock as it is.

Type R tranny is really short, and with boost will give you quite the workout/driving experience. It probably won't end up being as much fun as the longer gears of the LS which will keep you in boost longer. That, and you'll be spinning at 4000rpm just cruising down the highway...and you dont' want to be cruising IN boost at 4000rpm. I'd recommend keeping your stock tranny, and just upgrading the drivetrain (Clutch/flywheel/LSD).

Type R intake is what the Skunk2 Intake is modeled after, so if you found a Type R intake manny for cheap, just bolt it to your LS head and enjoy some better top end, and some mid.

[9teg8]

Originally Posted by CapnToll

Don't bother going ls/vtec if you want to boost. ls/vtec is just the poor man's stock VTEC setup, meaning it's less reliable than a stock VTEC setup. For boost, the only advantage of going with a VTEC head is for the better flow, but you won't see the big improvements with a mild build. Just keep the motor stock as it is.

Type R tranny is really short, and with boost will give you quite the workout/driving experience. It probably won't end up being as much fun as the longer gears of the LS which will keep you in boost longer. That, and you'll be spinning at 4000rpm just cruising down the highway...and you dont' want to be cruising IN boost at 4000rpm. I'd recommend keeping your stock tranny, and just upgrading the drivetrain (Clutch/flywheel/LSD).

Type R intake is what the Skunk2 Intake is modeled after, so if you found a Type R intake manny for cheap, just bolt it to your LS head and enjoy some better top end, and some mid.

Yes i got the manifold for free but it doesnt have the same bolt pattern as my cars so you think the ls/vtec is no good then?

[WVU97GS-R]

all motor is a stupid idea if power is what you want.

f/i is the only way to make decent power.

[CapnToll]

ls/vtec can be made into a nice build if you choose to go the all motor route just because you want to be all motor. But like stated above, it's not the way to go if you just want a street monster on a turbo build budget.

My brain can't quite recall the ITR I/M vs the LS I/M for bolt patterns, but I'm sure it's on here somewhere if you search. Not a needed part, but it's a nice addition (just like putting a nicer aftermarket intake on is a 'nice' power adder). If you have it in your budget, choose between the Skunk2s or the Edelbrocks depending on the powerband you would like.

[9teg8]

yes well then i wont do the ls vtec if thats good for an all motor build but i most definitely want to turbo but what exactly do people mean when they say powerband i mean i know what they are saying but i dont its still kinda fuzzy to me and as in cold air intakes i have been looking at a couple AEM because from what i hear they are pretty dependable and net some good horsepower as well

and as for the i/m yea all the bolts ft but one whcih is a little lower than the other but nor i have a ITR manifold for sale lol

[CapnToll]

Powerband is basically how the power is applied throughout the RPM range. As in...is the power coming in all up top? Mid-range? Low-end? A nice blend of everything? You can do different things to try and even up a really nice powerband.

I just used CAI as an example. Turbo setups have their own intake systems. Just look up Turbos on "How Stuff Works" to get an idea of how the system works from air intake, to exhaust, to turbo, to intake manifold etc. You'll be able to make much more informed decisions if you understand exactly what each part in a turbo setup does, and how the air progresses from the outside, to finally hitting the combustion chambers/exhaust.

A small turbo will spool quickly, and not have as much lag as a larger turbo, meaning your powerband will be helped out in the low end....etc etc etc.

[DICEMAN94]

you def should get a set of cams and pistons, and also head work is important

[CapnToll]

Originally Posted by DICEMAN94

you def should get a set of cams and pistons, and also head work is important

You can make cams work with a turbo setup (Both NA and Turbo cams...with NA Cams being much harder to tune on a boosted setup, but I have seen it work quite well), but cams are definately a finishing touch to a boosted motor that you would do if you want to shake things up a bit after all is said and done.

Why a set of pistons for a beginner turbo build? LS motors already have a low/safe enough Compression Ratio at 9.2:1 to boost without have problems with pre-detonation. Now, if he was running a really hot setup, then you might choose to go lower CR with ~8:1 pistons to make the tuning easier (Or on the same lines, up the compression with water/meth injection).

For his first ever turbo build, I would not recommend messing with internals quite yet. Everything you suggested is fine for more advanced builds, but still are all extras that are just options (unless you're looking to break 300whp).

[WVU97GS-R]

Originally Posted by CapnToll

You can make cams work with a turbo setup (Both NA and Turbo cams...with NA Cams being much harder to tune on a boosted setup, but I have seen it work quite well), but cams are definately a finishing touch to a boosted motor that you would do if you want to shake things up a bit after all is said and done.

Why a set of pistons for a beginner turbo build? LS motors already have a low/safe enough Compression Ratio at 9.2:1 to boost without have problems with pre-detonation. Now, if he was running a really hot setup, then you might choose to go lower CR with ~8:1 pistons to make the tuning easier (Or on the same lines, up the compression with water/meth injection).

For his first ever turbo build, I would not recommend messing with internals quite yet. Everything you suggested is fine for more advanced builds, but still are all extras that are just options (unless you're looking to break 300whp).

such detailed response to the guy who doesn't even understand what overlap is or the basics of an entry turbo setup. next he'll recommend titanium rods and pistons.

[CapnToll]

Originally Posted by WVU97GS-R

such detailed response to the guy who doesn't even understand what overlap is or the basics of an entry turbo setup. next he'll recommend titanium rods and pistons.