i'm now havin' trouble decidin' on some future mods for my Teg GSR...
i have basically all suspension mods except a front sway bar and rims
i have basically every fuel mod i can think of except injectors
i have brakes covered except goin' to a bigger caliper
i have all the basic things of cai/header/exhaust/h-f cat
i'll have cams, port and polished (mayb shaved head), ported intake manifold, big-bore TB, and a tuned ECU
now, i'm either gonna increase my compression and mayb do some nitrous or i'm gonna put a Vortech S/C system on my GSR, which do u guys suggest? i know not alot of people have done or r doin' Vortech, that's why i'm lookin' into tryin' them out, also that way i won't have to get rid of my header(turbo) nor the ported intake manifold(JR S/C)
if you s/c go jrsc you will run 13s all day long if you can drive. vtsc was in the last honda tuning mag they ran a vtsc on a gsr and it only ran a 14.9 and the dam thing made 240 peak hp the vtsc has a verry slim power ban and is not verry user frendly, jrsc has a much wider power ban the car jumps from 2000rpm and pulls hard all the way to 8000rpm and is very power full up top.all motor is kind of a wast on even a gsr sure with cams and a p+p,a high compresion head, dyno tuning a great header and exhust combo you can make a lot of power. but all that time for tuning a $$$$$$$$$$ adds up and can get verry costly in the long run. if i were you i would save up for a new motor bild the hell out of it from top to bottom turbo that bad boy. keep you current gsr as a back up if some thing goes wrong.
lol, u think i'm made of $, plus i've had a turbo, they aren't all that great
also a 9k+ revvin' engine sounds better to me now that i think 'bout it, so i'm not gonna force induce my car, mayb some nitrous down the road, but that's 'bout it, just get the car to make power throughout a 9k+ rev powerband, and have a 12+ compression car and then mayb add some juice, sounds more fun, less $, and well, that's 'bout it, later, thanx for the imput
Vortech that baby I've seen dynos on stock GSRs that put down 277 peak whp - Granted it is a narrow powerband similar to a turbo - but don't waste your time with a JRSC they suck in my opinion. If you're going to go FI, then don't do it half assed You've been turbo so you know whats up, do you wanna spend a lot of money and not go as fast as a typical turbo GSR? All motor would be cool but that is just as much $$$, if not more. Or just build your bottom end and throw a 100 shot in there I'm running a 65 shot right now but I am getting tired of having to get my bottle filled and not having it when I need it - Good luck with whatever route you go
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i'm running almost the same setup as yours, but i also have P&P head/int. man./TB (stock cams), 11:1 compression pistons, rods, SS valves, N2O DP kit (100shot), CM stage 3 clutch.
it's a good setup since it makes decent HP/Torque N/A and then really makes power when injeceting N2O. as you said before i think you should up the comp. closer to 12:1 maybe a bit over and run an N2O kit for that extra kick when dragin. that way you'll have 190-210 WHP all motor plus the 50-100 shot on the side as backup.
i'm waiting for my JDM DC headers to go with my Carsound cat and then i want to get it tuned. eventually i'll be doing the 12:1 comp. thing, resleeving with 86 mm bore, cams and 150 shot if i stick with N2O. or i may resleeve with lower comp. and stock cams for a turbo setup. but i love all motor/N2O setups so i don't know if i want turbo.
but the downside of using N2O is refilling every week ($30-40 a bottle), maybe more or less depending on your addiction to it. this $$ can add up quick if you use it alot, but if you're racing for $$, using it and winning then it's all good cause you then have $$ to get refilled plus some extra.
Originally posted by skibbs Vortech that baby I've seen dynos on stock GSRs that put down 277 peak whp - Granted it is a narrow powerband similar to a turbo - but don't waste your time with a JRSC they suck in my opinion. If you're going to go FI, then don't do it half assed You've been turbo so you know whats up, do you wanna spend a lot of money and not go as fast as a typical turbo GSR? All motor would be cool but that is just as much $$$, if not more. Or just build your bottom end and throw a 100 shot in there I'm running a 65 shot right now but I am getting tired of having to get my bottle filled and not having it when I need it - Good luck with whatever route you go
Then I guess you can't read dyno's because the Vortech dyno says it sucks. Their time slips for the car backs up their sorry kit so I don't even know why you are recomending it.
Then why does the Vortech GSR on the new magazine only does 14.9 when a somewhat N/A car can easily do mid 14's?
JRSC GSR's and SI do 13's easily. Last I checked Vortech was still in the 14's and the only way that Vortech could probably beat the JRSC is by upping the boost.
Don't beat your money on a losing system for our small Honda engines. If it was on a larger dispacement engine, it would be a different story.
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Vortech has always been known for domestic car power. They are trying to get in our game but it's not workin. I agree with sak. If it was on a V6 or a V8 then it would definitely help. But it isn't made for our four-bangers. Peace.
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Even the Vortech reps admitted that they were in it for the money. They didn't want to offer the H22 motor a Vortech kit because they felt the SI and GSR guys were a better target for profits since most of those guys are the ones who wants to have more power from their wimpy Honda engines.
I'd consider buying a H22 Vortech kit though, but never anything for a B18 or B16 motor.
Its all about revving higher to generate enough boost on the vortech - that is why they dont make em for the b18b and whatnot. The vtec engines rev higher, the vortech is rev hungry, hence they make their SCs for those engines. I was wrong, it was the civic si kit w/aftercooler that generated 277whp. A guy beat a new c5 corvette with that kit and a catback so don't tell me it sucks. I can't believe you would rather JRSC your engine than put a Vortech SC on... :
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Originally posted by White93Civic Vortech has always been known for domestic car power. They are trying to get in our game but it's not workin. I agree with sak. If it was on a V6 or a V8 then it would definitely help. But it isn't made for our four-bangers. Peace.
What is the JRSC then? Guess where its technology comes from? Do some research... That is no argument against the vortech :
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i've never used a SC before, but in the past i've read articles/books about the different styles of SC's. the JRSC on the average is a better style for the B series motors than the Vortech style SC due to the powerband/efficiency. i have read this and heard this many times before.
as far as running higher rpm and more boost to make the Vortech style SC better than the JRSC, why wear the motor faster and give it uneeded stress to make a setup work, a more expensive setup at that.
personally i'd rather run 8 psi with a powerband from 1-8K (JRSC)than 10-12 psi up to 9K just to make more peak power (Vortech).
this is just my 2 cents and i'll prolly never use a SC on my motor, hence i don't have an indepth knowledge of them.
Originally posted by skibbs Its all about revving higher to generate enough boost on the vortech - that is why they dont make em for the b18b and whatnot. The vtec engines rev higher, the vortech is rev hungry, hence they make their SCs for those engines. I was wrong, it was the civic si kit w/aftercooler that generated 277whp. A guy beat a new c5 corvette with that kit and a catback so don't tell me it sucks. I can't believe you would rather JRSC your engine than put a Vortech SC on... :
It has nothing to do with revving ability. The Vortech was made for the high end, regardless of revving ability. The JRSC was made for low to mid end, regardless of revving ability.
Vortech made their kits for the B series engines was for a peice of the aftermarket money. Not because they see it as the very best kit.
A guy beat a C5 Corvette with that kit? Was it really racing at the tracks? Don't tell me that the C5 Corvette was doing 15 seconds or worse because the Vortec SI only does 14's. The only way for the C5 Vette to lose would be if it wasn't racing, he didn't know how to race, or didn't have any traction.
C5 Vettes do 13's, so if the Vortech SI that you saw really did beat the C5 Vette, it was prabably doing low 13's or faster, meaning that it was probably boosting more than the Vortech kit, and not the 277whp SI that you were reffering to.
If you knew anything about the Vortech besides the 277whp numbers, you wouldn't be wasting $4000+ for the Vortech Kit.
I've seen dynos on stock GSRs that put down 277 peak whp - Granted it is a narrow powerband similar to a turbo - but don't waste your time with a JRSC they suck in my opinion. If you're going to go FI, then don't do it half assed 
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