gsr vs type s - Honda Forum / Acura Forum

r81gsr95 · 03-30-2004, 09:07 AM

Think my 95gsr will be as fast as my friends type s(aem intake and comptech exhaust) with my addition of cams(itr or comp cams), and some other minor bolt ons? What kinda power can i see from just comp cams and valvetrain? This is with tuning too. Thanks

jdmhonda98 · 03-30-2004, 09:44 AM

it depends how good of a driver you are. I've driven a type s that were fast as shit. With good tuning your car could get 170 whp easy, my friends stock type r put down 185whp with just an cai and a vafc. But i think type s has more potential than older vtecs.

Hybrid Fever · 03-30-2004, 11:39 AM

I don't like the new K-series motors, I've been hearing stories over and over of people trying to get deep into the 13's naturally aspirated and they've been blowing their motors. If you wanna leave em stock, or maybe just bolt ons then yeah they're great, but I don't think they're reliable when moderately- heavily modified. I think you have a good chance of sticking with the Type S, it's probably gonna come down to the driver.

KruciaL7integra · 03-30-2004, 02:35 PM

honestly, the type-s is strong but I think the B-series (GSR for example) have way more potential. But really good tuning, basic bolt ons, and considering you're a good driver should be enough to hang with the type-s maybe even take it. Around here the RSX Type-S aint really sh!t in my opinion. But thats just my opinion because I've seen GSRs and Type-Rs run them all day long with basic bolt ons. Possibly the driver too though

IntegraTypeRice · 03-30-2004, 04:26 PM

For straight line performance, the type-s is better than the gsr. They have a larger displacement and they are very mod-friendly and they already have a 30hp advantage. A rsx-s with bolt ons can run high 13s with street tires. A gsr with the same bolt ons at best would run mid to high 14s. They are better cars for drag racing if you're into that. The DC2 benefit from the double wishbone and it is a better handling platform.

CRVTEC0WNZJ00 · 03-30-2004, 06:40 PM

The only reason the B-series has so much potential is because its had R&D done on it forever now...I mean come on we've had B16's with VTEC since like 1989...it takes time for R&D on new cars to be as reliable and powerful as older more tuned engines. I mean compare aftermarket support on the DA/DC2 to the RSX...

White98LS · 03-30-2004, 09:20 PM

First, no vs. posts....

Second.... 185whp on a stock R (not JDM right?) with a CAI and V-AFC... I'm sorry but that's just not believable. There has to be more to the story.

Third.... are you all JOKING ME?!?! The K-series has huge potential compared to B-series, way way more. Sure, there are more PARTS available for the B-series, but as far as potential goes the K-series has TONS more. I remember Hytech's $6k engine package (cams, pistons, bolt-ons, fuel tuning, and that's about it) hitting 269whp and big torque too all-motor, and the cams weren't very aggressive, great driveability, a header that had hardly been tweaked or experimented with at all - did I mention this was on pump gas?? Try doing that with your B18C5. Even the fastest all-motor FWD Honda in the world can only manage about 290whp from its B18 Integra engine - we're talking 269whp from a VERY daily-driveable setup.

Why else do you think people spend double the cost of B-series swaps to put new K-series swaps in their Civics?? Because it's new and cool?? Umm, no. Are you guys aware of the relatively HUGE power gains that can be had just by adding i/h/e and a Hondata reflash?? They make our Integras look like a joke, making 10-15whp from bolt-ons.

CRVTEC0WNZJ00 · 03-30-2004, 09:58 PM

I'm not taking sides, I just have a B-series thats gonna be bitchin as hell...I'd take a K series motor though I'd like to get a new Si and put in the K24 Frankenstein :evil Just I feel the B-series has more support right now but its been around forever, K-series is the way to go though.

skibbs · 03-31-2004, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by White98LS

First, no vs. posts....

Second.... 185whp on a stock R (not JDM right?) with a CAI and V-AFC... I'm sorry but that's just not believable. There has to be more to the story.

Third.... are you all JOKING ME?!?! The K-series has huge potential compared to B-series, way way more. Sure, there are more PARTS available for the B-series, but as far as potential goes the K-series has TONS more. I remember Hytech's $6k engine package (cams, pistons, bolt-ons, fuel tuning, and that's about it) hitting 269whp and big torque too all-motor, and the cams weren't very aggressive, great driveability, a header that had hardly been tweaked or experimented with at all - did I mention this was on pump gas?? Try doing that with your B18C5. Even the fastest all-motor FWD Honda in the world can only manage about 290whp from its B18 Integra engine - we're talking 269whp from a VERY daily-driveable setup.

Why else do you think people spend double the cost of B-series swaps to put new K-series swaps in their Civics?? Because it's new and cool?? Umm, no. Are you guys aware of the relatively HUGE power gains that can be had just by adding i/h/e and a Hondata reflash?? They make our Integras look like a joke, making 10-15whp from bolt-ons.

Excellent points! I'd be interested in seeing a side by side comparison of stock setup dyno plots. I think the 6 speed is a huge advantage as well, I'd love to have one on my B series. It will be interesting to see how well the K series parts handle immense amounts of power, which is what the B series is known for. Being able to run a stock tranny with over 700whp is pretty remarkable and pushing over 300whp reliably on a stock block is another B series feat, these are the issues that we don't know yet but with more and more people pushing the K series further we will find out. Can someone expand on the suspension changes that were made in the DC5 and what performance implications they have?

Presterone1 · 03-31-2004, 07:52 AM

I dont even have my liscense and i've never driven an acura but I would love to see a gs-r blow the doors off an rsx

Nguyen · 03-31-2004, 09:42 AM

Where have our mods gone to?

CRVTEC0WNZJ00 · 03-31-2004, 01:31 PM

What would you like this thread closed? Oh and they have a B-series sequential transmission but its like $6000 which is superior to the S's 6 speed...yes yes forum rules no vs threads...and personally I think your going to get beat by the Type-S but it all comes down to the driver as well.