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Old 12-28-2002, 12:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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shifting technique

hey what does it mean to " double clutch"
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Old 12-28-2002, 05:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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shut up, you dont know what youre talkin about.

Its when you:
1. push clutch in and pull shifter out of gear.
2. Release clutch and push in again.
3. put into next gear and release clutch

its easier on syncros.

Todateg, i thought you were smarter than that
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Old 12-28-2002, 06:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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ah yest humpy, but don't forget that when u press it again to put it in gear you have to rev match.
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Old 12-28-2002, 07:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: shifting technique

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hey what does it mean to " double clutch"
Been watchin F-N-F again Huh?


Here's one for the Archives:


There are 2 Techniques that you should attempt to master and can practice during your everyday driving. Doing them DOES NOT MEAN YOU MUST GO RACING AROUND ALL THE TIME ON OPEN ROADS. What it does mean is that you will be learning how to better control the car and use it's power in maneuvering situations:

1) Rev matching; Is a method where you blip the throttle with your right foot quickly before you clutch and down shift and select a lower gear, to match the engines speed/RPM from a higher gear selection to a lower one. This is VERY important when driving a standard car, doing it correctly relieves stress placed on the motor and drivetrain during downshifting. AND IS IMPERATIVE FOR ANY RACE SITUATION WHEN GOING FROM A HIGHER GEAR TO A LOWER ONE!

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2) Heel toeing; Is a method that combines the Rev matching and Braking for use especially when entering a turn where you may need to brake and Then Select a lower gear to power through and gain faster times, "especially useful for course driving!" You will be able to slow up, to enter the corner at the correct speed, select the next lower gears and put the power down quickly for a faster exit from the corner.

The method is simple, doing it is not so simple and needs practice:

Use the Toe of your right foot to depress the brake pedal enough that you will just need to downshift to the next gear or two depending on the severity of the turn and Just before you shift to the lower gear, blip the throttle with the heel of your foot, then shift quickly while revmatching and carry yourself through the turn, VOILA! It can also be performed the opposite way with your heel on the brake and toe on the brake but, you get better pedal feel with your toe, the throttle blip doesn't need any feel, just a Blip.

It is alot easier to master with aftermarket Race pedals. I have and promote OMP, No Rice.

My foot actually straddles between the brake and throttle, kinda half on each, I depress the brake with the left side of my right foot and when it gets near the brake, I blip the throttle, then clutch In and shift.


Remember that all Braking should be done in a straight line and that Revmatching is a way of easing your motor and tranny into the lower gear with as little stress as possible. Revmatching is also important so as Not to Unsettle your car with a rough gear selection during any cornering. Any Unsettling in a turn means loss of control and usually hitting the grass or cones or the wall or whatever is there including other cars if you aren't careful.

Heel toe is for better control of the car and speeds up the combination of braking and gear selection, naturally making for faster lap times. ALL COURSE RACERS USE THESE METHODS.


Double clutching is Not needed for newer transmission's with synchro's and/or in our Integra's.

Double clutching simply means;

Gear in neutral, clutch in, select gear, throttle. Next change; clutch in, shift to neutral, clutch out, Revmatch, clutch in, next gear select, clutch out, throttle, Etc....

So you are using the clutch before you move the gear selector, move it to neutral and let off the clutch, then you depress the clutch again before you select the next gear. You are in essence clutching in and out of gear, depressing the clutch 2 times when shifting the gear Once, Hence "Double Clutching."


There are a couple described ways to Power shift: When racing, You can either shift by depressing the clutch and shifting quickly and NOT letting off the throttle at All, Or you can shift without the clutch At All, just rev it all the way to the top and shift. Both are methods that will put undue and uneeded wear and stress on your motor and tranny. Unless you can fix it when you break it or have loads of $$$ to fix it I don't suggest these methods.

Heres a link to a Heel Toe post in the R forum no too long ago:

heel toe shifts?

And some more extremely helpful and detailed links:

http://integra.vtec.net/driving/healtoe.html

http://integra.vtec.net/driving/dclutch.html

Good luck,



A.


PS, if you are just starting out, you should first master gear shifting normally and revmatching. Developing a feel for the car and how it reacts to throttle, clutch and brake input and by all means keep that Damn radio turned down so you can listen for what the motor sounds like and if you're doing it all correctly or grinding away.

Heel Toeing is a more advanced technique But, Practice makes perfect.
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Old 12-28-2002, 07:20 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Oh, and BTW this has obviously been covered before, please try the next time.


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Old 12-29-2002, 01:21 AM   #6 (permalink)
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While you're double-clutching, be careful not to blow the welds on the intake.... : Or else you'll owe me a "10-second" car....
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beautiful quote White98LS.. u've watch that movie wayyy too much
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Hahaha only like 3 times. It's funny, it has some cool parts, but most of it just makes me so mad, because it's so inaccurate and it makes it seem like whoever has the most NAWZ wins. Oh and too bad that in real life that Supra is more like a 12-second car, even though it isn't all that hard to make a 10-second Supra.

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