Im getting hooked on fixing cars up, and have recently decided I want an Integra. I already own a 5th Gen. Accord and plan to swap in an H22a motor. My "exuse" for getting this Integra is so I can get around while my Accord is in my shop getting the swap. I should also add that I am very picky, and live my life by the motto "do it right the first time". Im sure some of you will say that it will only take a weekend, but I dont like to rush things, and I am also going Auto to manny, so that is why I want another car.
Anyway I like the 92-93 style(2nd Gen. I think).
1)Could someone give me the pros and cons of the 2nd VS 3rd Gen Integra's. Does one handle better(or weighted better)than the other? I'm basically looking for the flaws of both to determine which would make a better car.
I figure going with a 2nd Gen Integra will allow more money for mods since it should be cheaper to buy VS the 3rd Gen.
2)I also need the low down of the different engine choices I will have, and which would better suit my needs.
My long term goals for this car are to be a very reliable car that is quick on the take off. I will for now only go N/A because I dont fully understand turbo or supercharger yet, and like I said I want reliability. I will however go all out with doing it N/A.
3)I would also like your thoughts about if you think going overboard with building the engine would cause aome reliability issues. For example, I know I want my head to have the works in upgrading the valve train with the best parts and full port and polish, along with 3 angle valve job. I will do high compresion pistons, zero gap rings(if there made for this application) aftermarket rods, and any other small parts made that would be better(ie. oil pump, cam, electrical)
Gen III
The RS doesn't come with electric anything, but you can get as an option looks and windows and I believe no ABS available.
The LS comes with power windows and locks. It also has ABS and Moonroof. The RS and LS both come with cloth seats.
The SE which was ONLY made in 95-96 is basically the GSR without the suspension and engine upgrades. It comes standard with sunroof, leather and power everything. It also comes with ABS. It is also common that is car is MOSTLY, but not always, found in automatic tranny. Also the 1995 SE got the GSR rims which are perhaps one of the most popular rims for the Integra.
The GS was the "twin" of the SE but wasn't released until 1997, I believe, after they stop making the SE (Special Edition). Once agian they are the GSR but without the gooddies.
All these cars have the B18B1 engine in it that pushes out 140HP @ 6300 and 124lbs. @5200. This engine is the NON-Vtec 16 valve 4-cyl. DOHC. Redline=6800
The GSR has a moonroof, power windows and locks, 15" rims. It came with the B18C1 engine which pushes out 170HP@ 7600 128ltbs. @6200. This engine comes with VTEC (Variable Valve Timing and Lift with Electronic Control) Redline=8000
Also earier years of the GSR, leather seats came as an option. In 1999 leather then became something standard in the GSRs.
For All model Integras, except the Type R of course...Front Brakes Ventilated, 10.3 in. disc type Ventilated, 11.1 in. disc type
Rear Brakes Solid, 9.4 in. disc type
Also there are some differences in the model years of 1994-1997 and then 1998-2001. Some cosmetic stuff such as bumpers, headlight, bumper lights, tail lights, valve cover.
Lastly you have the 1994-1995 OBDI ecu and then the 96+ OBDII ecu chip. Idealy everyone claims OBDI is much better, but after reading some research OBDII is just as good just it has some more restrictions, but could be easily modded to be overlooked.
Personally I like the look of the Gen III Integras, but I love how the front headlights of the Gen II go. Personally I would try to find a 94-95 GSR and work from there. Its a very good starter car, and it can hold its own on the streets. However I've heard the 93 GSR engines are rare to find and are very good to mod as they produce very good amounts of HP.
But most importantly how much is your price limit? The GSR will cost you a bit more then a standard model, but is well worth it, as probably anyone on this board will you....Unless you're Jayman320 who runs 13's 1/4 with his LS/Vtec or randyman with his b20...but thats another story for another day...(Hey guys I'm just jealous of your cars.... )
The main difference between all of the tegs are the engine. Personaly I like the style of the 2nd generation. I have also heared that the 2ng generation is lighter than the 3rd. The 92/93 GSR can beat the 94+ GSR. The Type R is very different from all of the rest. The body is lighter and it has also been stengthened in certain spots. The other difference between then is weather they came with alloy weels, leather, spoiler, ect.. Below is a list of the engine specs.
3G '97-'00 Integra Type R B18C5 1797 10.6:1 195hp@8000RPM/130lb-ft@7500
I would stay away from a 91 or older, A type R would be the best if you could find one but it will be expensive. If you are planning to build a motor just get a standared LS. or an RS if you dont want any power functions. The LS block is very strong. That block has 1.834 L opposed to the 1.797L in the GSR or ITR. You could build up a LS/VTEC. there is a stickey on them, here is a web sight to check out. http://www.c-speedracing.com/ and http://www.diyracing.com/ The Type R (B19C5) head would be the best for it. As far as reliability, it will be very reliable if you build it coreectly. A down side to a 92/93 is there are not quite as many parts avalable. Hope this helped
Weight Remember that different options and other things in the car will effect the weight, this may look like they are exact but there are many many other factors in weight.
Gen II
RS: 2544 (2 door) 2579 (4 door)
LS: 2590 (2 door) 2630 (4 door)
GS: 2654 (2 door) 2714 (4 door)
GSR: 2667 (I believe this generation only had 2 doors produced...)
So just by looking at them, there really isn't ALL that much of a weight difference between the 2 generations. Also between sedans and hatchs all together.
Sway Bars...
86-89 All Models 17.0mm (Front) 17.0mm (Rear)
90-93 All Coupes - 23.0mm (Front) 14.7mm (Rear)
90-93 All Sedans - 23.0mm (Front) 15.9mm (Rear)
94-99 LS Coupe - 22.1mm (Front) 12.9mm (Rear)
94-99 LS Sedan - 22.1mm (Front) 14.0mm (Rear)
94-01 GSR 24mm (Front) 14mm (Rear)
97-01 Type R 22mm (Front) 22mm (Rear)
00-01 LS Coupe - 24.0 / 12.9
00-01 Sedan 24.0mm (Front) 14.0mm (Rear)
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2002 Acura RSX Type-S Arctic Blue Pearl
Mods: intake,NGK blue plug wires, Spoon sports magnetic drain bolts, Spoon sports rad cap, spoon resevoir covers, Eibach Sportline springs, ITR front strut tower bar, ITR rear sway bar, Benen Industries rear lower tie bar, BSQ subframe reinforcement kit
Originally posted by IntEgRaKatHy what do all those abbreviations mean??
GS: Grand Sport
LS: Luxury Sport
GSR: Grand Sport Racing
Type-R: Type-Racing
These are what they mean with most other cars as well, although the GS is not that amazing of a performer, it is sporty and had no frills so you can consider that weight reduction, thus sportier as opposed to more luxury.
The GS is the Luxury version of the LS.
The GSR combines the sportier suspension, tranny and motor with the GS's Luxury ameneties.
The Type-R is just that, a road legal Race car that has a heavily tuned motor, tranny, suspension, brakes, steering, strengthened body for structural rigidity,,, we could go on and on here, weight reduction in many forms.... It's a race car.
The term Luxury when relating to these cars is really misleading, they are by far Not luxury in any sense, I don't care if they have a moonroof, power door and windows, and a "Premium" stereo CD changer. They are light, fun, sporty cars that I'd guess in the Japanese eyes over in JDM land somehow fit into those descriptions listed above.
There are a lot of differences between a TypeR and a GSR, 195hp instead of 170, 130lb/ft of torque instead of 128, 8400rpm redline instead of 8000, due mostly because of more aggresive cams and a higher compression ratio (10.6:1 v 10.0:1). TypeR's weigh less because of stripped out insulation, rear wiper, clock, no moonroof, and other stuff. Almost entirely new suspension, extra braces and strengthening in the chassis, better brakes, 5 lug rims etc. Also shorter gearing and an LSD. The Type R is a completely different animal.
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'98 Integra LS - non-VTEC autocross / daily driver (aka Track-Tested / Mother Approved) Daily-driven 87 octane Porsche destroyer
Latest Auto-X: 5th overall in class (7th/12 Day 1, 2nd Day 2). 10th/92 overall Day 2.
Complete mod list and updated race results here: http://www.freewebs.com/white98ls - don't forget to sign the guestbook! Autocrossing for a day is the best $25 you can spend
Mods: intake,NGK blue plug wires, Spoon sports magnetic drain bolts, Spoon sports rad cap, spoon resevoir covers, Eibach Sportline springs, ITR front strut tower bar, ITR rear sway bar, Benen Industries rear lower tie bar, BSQ subframe reinforcement kit
90-91 RS LS GS
all have the B18A
92-93 RS LS GS
all have the B18B - this engine is almost identical to 3rd generation RS LS GS SE engines. the 3rd gen engines have 124 lbs ft torque @ 5200 rpm and a 6800 rpm redline (2g has 6500 rpm redline) the redline was raised probably due to the use of stiffer valve springs or better timing programming in the 3rd gen ECM
the differences between A and B in 2nd gen integras are:
CR is the same as is bore and stroke in both 2nd gen cars.
the difference in them may be cam profiles, or intake runner design changes, or even exhaust manifold changes, maybe higher capacity injectors or better fuel delivery systems or fuel map changes, computer software updates, i dont know. but that is the difference.
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Integra_XTR: "his is bigger than mine (size wise)"
In 1996 Acura made some changes. The ecus were switched from OBDI to OBDII 2 oxygen sensors are now used. The mirror design was changed. The GSR went from the fat 5 rims to a 6 spoke style.
In 1997 that rim was then changed to a mesh style because the 96 rims were very ugly. More importantly the first TypeRs were brought to the states.
In 1998 there was some major changes. The headlights and front and rear bumper covers were redesigned. The taillights had the amber removed so the 98-01 tails are all red with the white reverse. The steering wheel now has an A symbol verus spelling out ACURA. There was a handle put on the hatch so that you could open it from the outside when the doors were unlocked. And again the GSR's rims were switched to the blades for 98-01.
In 1999 no TypeR's were imported. GSRs came standard with leather.
In 2000 Honda realized they were dumb asses and brought them back to the states.
I know this thread is very old but i am reorganizing the links in the stickies and cleaning them up, taking out the noob posts to make it easier and more informational reading. I just added some stuff into the stickies and there is some other great classic stuff still there.
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