Questions on Building a D16Z6 Engine: - Honda Forum / Acura Forum

lucrative · 11-12-2002, 11:48 PM

Ok, here we go:

I want to learn about everything that I could possibly do to build my D16Z6 Engine to perform with a turbo.

First off... let me tell you that my current engine (D16Z6) has about 105,000 Miles put on it... (the car is a '93 Honda Del Sol Si)...

Now, if I were to build my current engine with 105,000 miles to work with a turbo, would it be worth it? Or should I just go out and find another D16Z6 Engine with about 45,000 miles and start building that one? I know if you think about it, less mileage = less use = better overall quality, but do I really need to worry about the mileage issue?

Ok, now once that question is answered, I want to know what I can do to build the engine... I mean "everything and anything..."

Boring, Resleeving, honing, port & polish, pistons, rods, valve springs, rings, etc. I want to know everything I can...

My engine has 125 HP... my goal is to max out a 300... It's a good goal for an SOHC engine... anyway... any help is appreciated...

Oh, and one more thing... I am not going to swap my engine for a B-Series..my D-series will be for learning experiences... it's a cheap engine... so when I get my experience, I will go bigger... Any help is appreciated!

HukRice · 11-13-2002, 01:30 AM

can a d16z6 really be able to put out 300hp? ... thats insane ... id like to know how that would work ... with no nitrous, thats pretty phat ...

Slow_3Door · 11-13-2002, 02:02 AM

Hows this...

Get a b16a3...

The prices you pay for a B series piston set and D are the same. Same goes for the rods... same goes for the turbo mani, same for the turbo etc. So why not start with a more powerful and more reliable power plant in the first place?

lucrative · 11-13-2002, 07:04 PM

Yeah... an SOHC engine CAN put out 300 HP... you just need to build it right... my personal goal is to beat a Camaro Z28... those cars output an avg of 300 HP and 330 Torque... of course, actual performance would probably be around 275 HP and around 300 Torque... but my goal is to AT LEAST put 300 HP to the wheels... and it is possible... even with an SOHC engine... and you can do all of this without nos... why the hell would someone want to use nos anyway... it's a loser's byproduct of winning...

Anyway, if you guys are clueless about this thread.. it's ok, I am sure I can learn on my own.. just curious if anyone out there could give some valuable input... any suggestions and info (besides swapping to a B-Series engine) is appreciated...

lucrative · 11-13-2002, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by Slow_3Door
Hows this...

Get a b16a3...

The prices you pay for a B series piston set and D are the same. Same goes for the rods... same goes for the turbo mani, same for the turbo etc. So why not start with a more powerful and more reliable power plant in the first place?

Dude... did I not just say that I didn't want a B-Series? Anyway, in answer to your question, sure the costs for upgrading each engine may be the same, but the engine itself costs a lot more than a D-Series... plus, like I said, this will be experimental... if my experiment goes horribly wrong, at least my engine won't cost me an arm and a leg... I want to learn everything about an engine I can... but I would rather start building my skills from the beginning... Anyway, to put a long story short, the answer is NO! (HEHEHE)... besides, I think any B-Series owner would be pissed if I passed by them with an SOHC Engine that could eat up camaro Z28's... wouldn't you be pissed?

hondasolsi · 11-13-2002, 10:52 PM

i see what your saying. thats what i want to do but money is limited. d series have some potential. i know someone that built his D crazy insane runnin low 13's. a lot of work and hes making a supercharger sort of thing for it. he calls it an "air konditioner"

lucrative · 11-13-2002, 11:33 PM

dude... del sols have potential to run in the low 12's with moderate stock internals, a turbo, and fine tuning... but, as for building the engine... I will be learning how by classes... I am studying how to rebuild engines *honda specific* and all that other stuff.... I will never pay installation fees... or maintenance fees... you see, it's not the product that will be expensive, but the labor included with it is hell... but since I am a fairly intellegent man with a brain... I will learn how to do anything I want to do so there will never be installation or labor fees.

Anyway, I have no real replies on this subject so I guess nobody knows anything... except for Ich Folge... vietdelsol and blackdelsol... those are the only three people I see who can actually explain shit instead of going around it... don't mean to flame... oh well, I will learn all that i need to next semester... I will post then on my upgrades...

VTEC Dave · 11-14-2002, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lucrative
Ok, here we go:

I want to learn about everything that I could possibly do to build my D16Z6 Engine to perform with a turbo.

First off... let me tell you that my current engine (D16Z6) has about 105,000 Miles put on it... (the car is a '93 Honda Del Sol Si)...

Now, if I were to build my current engine with 105,000 miles to work with a turbo, would it be worth it? Or should I just go out and find another D16Z6 Engine with about 45,000 miles and start building that one? I know if you think about it, less mileage = less use = better overall quality, but do I really need to worry about the mileage issue?

Ok, now once that question is answered, I want to know what I can do to build the engine... I mean "everything and anything..."

Boring, Resleeving, honing, port & polish, pistons, rods, valve springs, rings, etc. I want to know everything I can...

My engine has 125 HP... my goal is to max out a 300... It's a good goal for an SOHC engine... anyway... any help is appreciated...

Oh, and one more thing... I am not going to swap my engine for a B-Series..my D-series will be for learning experiences... it's a cheap engine... so when I get my experience, I will go bigger... Any help is appreciated!

go for it dude. A lot of people think that D series motors are a waste but personally i think they area good motors. (well the SOHC VTEC motor is). I say build a SOHC VTEC plus that'd be different to a lot of people. A lot of people jsut like to get a B16 which is a good motor but I wouldn't waste the $$ for that. A B18C is a better motor and better worth a B16 (in myopinion) yet they cost more.

Godo luck on building your SOHC VTEC.

-Later

del2slow · 11-14-2002, 01:08 AM

Well I can tell you right now unless you have som major funding there is no way you're going to get this thing to pump out 300whp going N/A on pump gas. You will need to spray, boost, or build it for race fuel. As for the comment earlier regaurding the Air Kondishener, it's a revolutionary supercharging system that allows someone to go from N/A to blown at the flip of a switch, the competition won't even see it coming until you flip that switch at the light. Anyway you can find out more details at HV forums by talking to agressorsol(aka tim the stick) or just do a search for A/K. You can also find more about it on the message board at www.unleadedracing.com

del2slow · 11-14-2002, 01:10 AM

BTW, tim currently drags a D16Z6, I think his is in the 13s w/ no boost. By this summer it will be in the 9s. Hes going w/ a nitromethane conversion.

lucrative · 11-14-2002, 03:57 AM

Don't worry... I will be boosting... as I said earlier (in my first post) I will go turbo... my goal isn't impossible... and as long as I make my project successful, one step at a time, one aspect at a time, everything will go well... How can a del sol run 13's with no boost of any kind...? I have never heard of that before... I should check into that...

JDM_SOL · 11-14-2002, 10:16 AM

you should go out and buy a honda tuning book...everything you want to know is in those books.

if you cant find it summitracing.com has them.

del2slow · 11-14-2002, 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by lucrative
How can a del sol run 13's with no boost of any kind...? I have never heard of that before... I should check into that...

His engine is built up and he has over 500 lbs removed from his car. I think right now he's around 1700-1800lbs.

Slow_3Door · 11-14-2002, 02:25 PM

The point is this...

With a D series there is only so much you can do. Power wise, without having to get "custom" made items. There are more readily available parts for the B series and it takes a LOT less money to make a B series hit 300hp than it does a D. Youre going to pay the same for the valve springs, valves, head work, sleeving, fuel upgrades, turbo, manifold, etc as you would for a B so why not get ahead of yourself and get the B. Oh yeah, cant forget the cooling upgrades either. Youre transmission choices with a B are a little more expensive but theyre a better tranny.

Yeah, noone makes a D fast, theyre great engines, but the support isnt there. Now if you want to do like Tim Wakeling and turn a D series into Nitro Methane powered monster youre more than welcome to

lucrative · 11-19-2002, 12:13 AM

Just to let you know... the potential is far more superior than a B-series cost/performance wise... D's can ren in mid 10's just like any car if built right... but to see a DOHC lose to an SOHC takes skill... someday I will aquire that skill... until then it is only a matter of time...