Camaro vs. Skyline

[life sux die]

Originally Posted by Shafto

well of course.... it is a huge motor to hit the 4 second mark. but if a japanese manufacturer made a 500cubic inch top fuel engine it would get down the strip in 4 seconds too. might even be faster.

then the americans, or the europeans, shit maybe even mexicans would make it better. given the technology these days, anything is possible.

Originally Posted by Shafto

k well I know what I know and I can see that this would not go no ware so I will stop here. I wasnt trying to start nothin either.

i'm glad you realized this.

[IHIPrelude94]

Technically... American V8's really aren't that efficient in making horsepower per liter. If they utilized the full potential of the displacement and got some hard core R&D into it, I'm sure they could come out with a 4.2L V8 that made as much power as their 5.0+L V8s make now. The problem is that until recently, most American V8's have been pushrod motors... and alot are 16v V8's. Kinda hard to fine tune a motor like that.

I dunno... I get the argument... so, with that being said

As for high horsepower naturally aspirated JDM cars... does this count?



NSX-R: 320 Horsepower N/A V6

~Peace

[Slick2k]

Originally Posted by flyingtoaster

I'll say it again, Honda doesn't make a V8.

I'll say it once... Honda does make a V8

enter the RA806E

[IHIPrelude94]

Originally Posted by Slick2k

I'll say it once... Honda does make a V8

enter the RA806E

Noobowned

~Peace

[MrKevIsMeToSlow]

Originally Posted by Integravtr

Would like to say this with the utmost respect for all cars

They don't call american cars american muscle for no reason.

American Cars = Power
Imports (mostly honda's) = Handling and all around balance and reliability

You can only pick 1 unless you buy both types of cars

Handling? If they all handled so well then why do we all put coilovers and every bar we can possible brace on our cars? GTO, Corvette ZO6 and the Mustang Cobra can all out handle most imports out there... And those cars can now all be had for the price of an RSX. Even the new Mustang GT can handle its own on a road course.

[MrKevIsMeToSlow]

Originally Posted by IHIPrelude94

Technically... American V8's really aren't that efficient in making horsepower per liter. If they utilized the full potential of the displacement and got some hard core R&D into it, I'm sure they could come out with a 4.2L V8 that made as much power as their 5.0+L V8s make now. The problem is that until recently, most American V8's have been pushrod motors... and alot are 16v V8's. Kinda hard to fine tune a motor like that.

I dunno... I get the argument... so, with that being said

As for high horsepower naturally aspirated JDM cars... does this count?



NSX-R: 320 Horsepower N/A V6

~Peace

Efficient as far as making power I can agree on. But fuel efficiency is also there. Example... LS1's making 31mpg , and new Z06's making the same all with 505 hp on tap. My old s2000 stuggled to average 30 mpg on the freeway. and that was 2 liters!!!!

[bmoua17]

dude i've seen a nsx-r with barely 300hp vs a C6...smoked it...saw it on top gear....

[IHIPrelude94]

Originally Posted by MrKevIsMeToSlow

Handling? If they all handled so well then why do we all put coilovers and every bar we can possible brace on our cars? GTO, Corvette ZO6 and the Mustang Cobra can all out handle most imports out there... And those cars can now all be had for the price of an RSX. Even the new Mustang GT can handle its own on a road course.

Subaru WRX STi and Lancer Evo MR thrown in for fun

Skidpad
2005 GTO - 0.88 Skidpad
2006 Mustang GT - 0.89 Skidpad
2006 Corvette Z06 - 0.98 Skidpad
2005 RSX Type-S - 0.86 Skidpad
2005 WRX STi - 0.92 Skidpad
2005 Evolution MR - 0.93 Skidpad

Base Price
2005 GTO - $33,500
2006 Mustang GT - $24,995
2006 Corvette Z06 - $69,995
2005 RSX Type-S - $24,140
2005 WRX STi - $32,870
2005 Evolution MR - $36,074

City Gas Mileage
2005 GTO - 15mpg
2006 Mustang GT - 17mpg
2006 Corvette Z06 - 16mpg
2005 RSX Type-S - 24mpg
2005 WRX STi - 18mpg
2005 Evolution MR - 18mpg

All facts pulled from C&D.com. So as to your argument, the STi (being one of many japanese cars that these muscle cars are supposed to be better than) get's better gas mileage than any of the 3 you mentioned, outhandles 2 (Only outhandled by the car that costs TWICE AS MUCH), and is cheaper than 2. Evolution does the same thing, only it is priced higher than only 1 of the american cars mentioned.

Why do we modify our suspensions? Because they can be made better. Are you telling me that every American muscle car owner that owns either of those 3 cars would NEVER modify their suspensions?

And the only one of those cars mentioned comes close to the RSX TYPE-S' price is the Mustang which is still almost a grand more. Not to mention that a Base RSX can be had starting around $20,000...

~Peace

[gansedrifto]

lets not start a rendition of what happens in streetfires comments. the typical domestic vs import wars. personally i like the skyline cause its more rare, but the camaro won.. good shit good times

[Fokai671]

Originally Posted by Shafto

well of course.... it is a huge motor to hit the 4 second mark. but if a japanese manufacturer made a 500cubic inch top fuel engine it would get down the strip in 4 seconds too. might even be faster.

yeah but the problem is that Japanese manufacturers dont make motors big enough to to hit 4 seconds.

The point you made a while ago was that Japanese made faster motors.

and now you're saying that anyone can make a really fast car if they have the resources....

if thats the case then the argument about whether Japanese/American's make better cars shouldn't even be an issue.

[Nightstalker]

Who here would leave there car 100% stock anyway.. Who cares what a car does from the factory. Built not Bought.

I can throw up videos of my civic killing mustangs in the 1/4 and eating up high end sports cars on the road course if you guys want.
Its not what you boughtl, its what you can do with it.

[turbohonda97]

Originally Posted by Nightstalker

Who here would leave there car 100% stock anyway.. Who cares what a car does from the factory. Built not Bought.

I can throw up videos of my civic killing mustangs in the 1/4 and eating up high end sports cars on the road course if you guys want.
Its not what you boughtl, its what you can do with it.

/thread

[Shafto]

Originally Posted by Fokai671

yeah but the problem is that Japanese manufacturers dont make motors big enough to to hit 4 seconds.

The point you made a while ago was that Japanese made faster motors.

and now you're saying that anyone can make a really fast car if they have the resources....

if thats the case then the argument about whether Japanese/American's make better cars shouldn't even be an issue.

No no no, I was saying that for there size they are more powerful. horsepower per liter. They are far more efficiant than american.

[dom yo]

Originally Posted by Fokai671

yeah but the problem is that Japanese manufacturers dont make motors big enough to to hit 4 seconds.

The point you made a while ago was that Japanese made faster motors.

and now you're saying that anyone can make a really fast car if they have the resources....

if thats the case then the argument about whether Japanese/American's make better cars shouldn't even be an issue.

good point

[control1200]

I'd like to start off by saying that I love the mustang cobra and I love the mitsubishi evo.

I think the import vs domestic debate is moronic.
You guys are right about these noobs and jdm freaks thinking they own the world..F__kin losers.

Since honda, toyota, and nissan all have factories here and make cars in the good ol' usa, does that make them imports? or does that make them american pieces of shit? just wondering...................