Camaro vs. Skyline

[IHIPrelude94]

Originally Posted by Z-slut

Huh.....?

Both the Z and the Supra are speculation... That's like saying "Man... this imaginary car that I thought of in my mind is going to decimate Vettes because I say it will, and it's japanese... so all american cars suck!"

And the reason that your friend is dusting vettes in his CRX is because it weighs probably half as much as the cars he's racing. Power to weight ratio is a wonderful thing... also makes it easier to forget that you have NO TORQUE because light cars are easier to get moving... lol

~Peace

[Z-slut]

I was just confused, cuz I have heard absolutely nothing about a V8 Z...450Z or whatever.

I think maybe he read a bogus article or something.

Z-cars have been 6-cylinder cars since 1969...not likely to change.

[Nathan123]

Originally Posted by Bonner240sx

Pardon me "FRIEND" but power is only needed on a drag stripp and besides whats that shit about imports not being as good as american cars theres a v8 450z by nissan soon to come out and will anialate everything in its class the supra is making a comeback and please the eurropean cars destroy american street cars hands on take for example the new 911 turbo vs the C6. all hell my boy has a 300 horsepower crx and he smoked the shit out of a fuckin viper in that little 4 cylinder

That is so fucking stupid that it almost doesn't deserve a response. So, I almost won't give one.

But, hey... look on the bright side: I fixed your rep for ya.

[Fokai671]

Originally Posted by Bonner240sx

Pardon me "FRIEND" but power is only needed on a drag stripp and besides whats that shit about imports not being as good as american cars theres a v8 450z by nissan soon to come out and will anialate everything in its class the supra is making a comeback and please the eurropean cars destroy american street cars hands on take for example the new 911 turbo vs the C6. all hell my boy has a 300 horsepower crx and he smoked the shit out of a fuckin viper in that little 4 cylinder

Ok listen here "MISTER" the video you watched on this thread was a drag race. There were no turns, corners or cones. Power is an essential asset to make a car fast, including races on the track, so i dont what you're talking about when you say that power is only for the 1/4 mile.

Even if Nissan or Toyota were to come out with a V8, the point i made is that Japanese manufacturers dont make them. until they do, your argument is totally outrageous.

As for European cars being faster??? apparently you haven't been to a real drag strip. Because from what i recall, American cars are hitting under 4 seconds. I dont know about you but i havent seen a European car ever go that fast. Please do your research before you make preposterous statements. You need to stop reading car and driver and start watching NHRA races.

And as for your homeboy with the 300 hp crx, put that against a 6,000+ hp jet funny car and then lets see what happens. dont say that its not fair because Japan doesn't make a V8 made for racing. Yes i know that sounds like a personal problem.

Please read carefully before making false accusations.

[mmiller783]

I was reading this thread and i decided that i would rather gouge out my own eyes than listen to u all bitch at eachother. This is a honda thread so there will be honda posers saying theyre the greatest cars ever domestic guys hav to deal with that. But i think we should all take a step back and look at each car based on its own merits. We should all be car lovers no import fans or domestic heads. Like a car for wat it is, im a honda owner but ill admit that in the ways of power a honda cant hold a candle to some american muscle (dont bitch at me cause i probably wont answer). And as far as handling goes its all about the engineering imports naturally are a better platform for a well handling car because of the light weight. But when u look at some american cars they handle just as well, if not better than imports. I.E any corvette Z06. We shouldnt be arguing about stupid shit like this cause in the end its just a blatant waste of time. And we all look like FUCKING MORONS. In the end all cars are junk theyre just gonna break down on u take all ur money and cause u endless hours of frustrartion. sooo....TITS :clap

[Bonner240sx]

u all missing the main component that makes a car a good car it is not a v8,*****,rb26 or whatever the train it is the driver who makes the car a great car now sleep on that

[gsro11]

Originally Posted by flyingtoaster

I'll say it again, Honda doesn't make a V8. Mugen is not affiliated with Honda. They just make overpriced shit for front wheel drive cars.

Mugen was statred by Mr. Hondas son so they are a little related kinda like svt is to ford . how you can make a comment like that makes you sound very unknowlegdable.

[gsro11]

This thread should be closed every is talking smack how japanesse cars dont amake anypower and how Honda doesnt have a V8 , or that jap cars need a turbo to be fast...well the simple reason is that Japan Has a fucking horsepower regulation of guess what??? 280 hp thats why evry car has 280hp max. So of course they use turbos to get more acceleration out of a motor with only 280hp, So that is why tuning is so big in Japan withall these different shops, . Now if there wasnt a hp regulation America might not stand a chance in performance but then again we live in the real world so American cars or European have the advantage in power but in overall performance for example the Honda NSX R easily owns most with nothing but real racing spirit bred into the car from what Honda learns onto the track..thats what makes Honda so great that they are a motor company that gives people the opportunity to expierence what a race motor is like especially in the type r series.. the scream of 9000 rpm is something to enjoyed.

[Nathan123]

Originally Posted by gsro11

Japan Has a fucking horsepower regulation of guess what??? 280 hp thats why evry car has 280hp max. So of course they use turbos to get more acceleration out of a motor with only 280hp, So that is why tuning is so big in Japan withall these different shops, .

Get your facts straight, fanboy. There IS NO horsepower "regulation" in Japan. And engines over there that have been labeled as 279 hp have been making well in excess of 300 for years.

[Yoshimitshu]

Originally Posted by Nathan123

Get your facts straight, fanboy. There IS NO horsepower "regulation" in Japan. And engines over there that have been labeled as 279 hp have been making well in excess of 300 for years.

Its good to have Nate back.........yeah JDM cars dont have horsepower limits, they have speedometer limits of i think 120mph. But as for this 9 page debate....I like both cars I like American cars (some of them) and Imports (some of them). But both markets concentrate on different areas of life-style. Americans/Eurpoeons build alot of high hp cars that are friggin drag kings......Imports I believe concdntrate on family and space and gas milage......with a few higher hp cars, not too high but high compared to there other cars.

[96civic3door]

The hp thing in Japan was an agreement by companoes which was a joke from the get go as the Supra's, RX7's, and skylines all had around 320hp stock when the agreement had been made. All they did is rate the cars at 276hp but never changed anything.

Like it matters though, lets take a look here for a second. This is a list off the top of my head that I have picked up over the years.

The RX7's made their power no doubt but at a cost. What is that cost you may ask? A car that is far more unreliable than a good 95% of American performance cars both of it's era and of the decade before it. a RX7 which makes it's rated power was more times than not doing no good for it's customers as it would have severe mech. problems with in 30,000 to 50,000 miles of being new.

The Supra's made their power but is crippled by a couple things. For one it was priced north of $40,000 in the early to mid 90's and for two it is a well known dyno queen. A Vette, Mustang, Camaro, etc, etc with the same power as a Supra 9 times out of 10 will toast it in the 1/4 mile and a M3 which is alot less will eat it up on a track.

The Skylines are no doubt great cars to build on but warrent nowhere near the attention they get. These cars for one are illegal here in the U.S. and even if you could buy and legally bring a R34 GTr over here you would be paying nearly $35k more than you would be paying for a brand new Z06 which w/o a doubt is a better car to start with and you will end up with a better car fully built.

NSX, I am not even going to really hit on this car because it is way overpriced for what it is, a mid 250'swhp V6 car for upwards of $100k ha lmao. This is the price you can buy a used 911 GT for which is worl renowned as one of the purest sports cars to ever grace this planet.

Ok now on to Domestics.

F-Body's were around 35 years and allthough they had a fairly sedate time in the early 80's to early 90's which plauged all cars in America not just them, overall the platform has surpassed many goals, has won many many championships and when it went out it had Dodge, Ford, and any other company that dared to stand up to it on their heels. Went out on top and when re-introduced will reign on the top of it's segment again.

Vette's are the all american sports car and from around 92 to now have done nothing but made leaps in it's purpose. At over 50 years old the Vette is coming into a market that it outclasses for the money. There is not a car on this planet for the same amount of money that will touch the Z06. Not the C5 and not the C6.

Mustangs have came up to the challenge with the new platform and will be hard to beat by any car w/o a V8 rwd/awd platform. The things they have done to the Mustang line are great and are putting it in the place to really rebound in a big way from it's lame existance from the mid 70's up untill now

Dodge is about to unleash a 400+hp challenger that will be tough to tame.

What is Japan's companies bringing out? A couple 300hp awd sedans, a overweight underpowered GT-R, and a soon to be over priced V10 NSX? What cars do Japan bring to the table to challenge what is being brought out over here? IMO not much if anything at all.

BTW there is no "450Z" and a new supra is nothing more than rumor at this point and time.

[MrKevIsMeToSlow]

I need a bag of popcorn & a case of miller lite beer while i watch this fighting going on, on this thread...

[gsro11]

Originally Posted by Nathan123

Get your facts straight, fanboy. There IS NO horsepower "regulation" in Japan. And engines over there that have been labeled as 279 hp have been making well in excess of 300 for years.

well if all cars are labled at 280 but make 320hp, that is the manufactuer working with in the regulation so they say 280 but really the max 320.. does any production car come with any more than 280 labled or 320hp that the cars feel like they have. NO right..BECAUSE JAPAN HAS A HP REGULATION...IT IS A FACT YOU DUMBASS. LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU START YOUR I KNOW ALL BULLSHIT, YOU ARE WRONG

[96civic3door]

Dude it is not a regulation it is/was an agreement between the major car companies like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mazda. No government law stated you could not have over 276hp labled it was called a "gentlemans agreement", STi's and EVO's are allready or are going to be rated higher than 276 cause Subie and Mitsu did not enter the agreement. Honda allready started rating their NSX at 290hp.