you know whats funny, is how beemrman keeps bringing up the fact that out of the factory cobras, and z06's are faster than type r's. You just don't seem to get it through your head, your talking about a stock 4 cylinder compared to a stock V8, its common sense the V8 will be more powerful its twice the damn size. And seriously, why do u come on a honda forum and bitch about hondas, that just shows how immature you are. You can spit all your bullshit about domestic this and that, read comsumer reports, or any other automotive resource magazine, and time after time after time, they will recommend the imports over domestics. On the last Consumer Reports Prefferred Cars/Recommended List there were like 2 domestics, and 28 imports. I love all cars, but i hate when people like you bitch about a certain type of car. Just shut up. Please.
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Dude beemrmem3 you are stupid you make all these statements about stuff that you don't even know is true you talk about domestics having just as much tq per liter as we have hp per liter, and you're dead wrong you said
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My car has just as much TQ per liter as you have power per liter.
Look at your great old viper, the king of the Domestics isn't it? well here are the numbers right off the car and driver website
-Displacement - 505 cu in - 8275 cc - 8.275 Liters
-Horsepower - 500 at 5600 RPM
-Torque - 500 lb-ft at 4600 RPM
That turns into a HP per liter of only 60.4229607250756
and the same for TQ per liter.
Look at this and say that you have such a great and technologicaly advanced as us imports with Power per liters of over 100...
Now lets look at your great 2002 Mustang GT it's #'s...
This is an amazing HP Per liter of only 56.4603691639522
and for TQ it is 65.5808903365907
Now i guess your car isn't that great of a tech car because it's just an old fashion Pushrod V8 that has crappy numbers for the displacement, and the compression ratio isn't that much lower that most hondas at 9:1, so don't say shit about the compression ratios. All in all the Ford is a nice car for what it was designed for, A muscle car, drag strip. Don't go flamen on us imports because your car isn't as cool, and is so fast just because of it's displacement, you will never be able to match the HP per liter and even the TQ per liter that we put out with our B D K and H series engines. SHUT UP
why dont we just put tw0 engines in type r and see what happens, oviously 5.0 is 2.5 times bigger so, 2 engine will do the trick. like what they did to Tiburon in SCC. it blew away MODDED 5.0, tt supra, tt 300zx, ferrari. i think that is fair, i just want to know what would happen if someone did that to a type r and race a MODDED 5.0 Mustang.
P.S. beemrmem3, you are a fucking FAG, get the fuck out of this forum you FAGGOT!!!!
1ST off, everyone has the right to their own opinion, so dont get all pissy at bemmermanbitch over there, and 2ND off, if yo could put any 2 engines in any civic, (92+ stock) its gonna smoke the hell out of anything domestic short of higher end cars, (eg-vette viper), no stang could touch it,except maybe a bad f-in saleen, but it would have to be made into an AWD vehicle, i think, but i could just be drunk. NE Ways... in the video, i must say, even with a turbo, theres NO WAY that civic would have pulled away that fast from a rolling start, what were they going, 25+? No f*cking way. i have friends with 5.0's that a vette cant touch, which doesnt say anything about that gus 5.o, but he had a raised hood, which if he's from texas, hes got more than stock underneath it...usually. if i heard right he said he couldn't race, but the vid is all screwy at that point, so theres no telling what he really said. but i think he was left way to quick to have been trying, maybe he knew he was gonna lose and just cruised on, or maybe thats the biggest POS stang with nice wheels and aftermarket hood with a still glossy paint job that ive ever seen. but, he probly still woulda lost in my opinion, just not quite that bad. unless that a badass civie
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on the video, that civic pushes 11's, i can vouch ive seen it at a track with time slips and everything, not on a road where i guessed it was an 11. The guy said he couldnt race because his gears were topping out so they slowed down so he would have more room to work with, and it did seem like she jumped the gun but it would not have mattered the stang was dead either way. oh yea and ive decided that im gonna get that BOV.
on the argument, my biggest beef with what has been said is that there is no new technology. The civic is pushin right around 20 lbs on a bottom end with nothing but a block guard all acieved with t00ning, thats right t00ning not lust lowered compression and a big turbo, and what does this kind of t00ning take to pull off, technology. so dont say that there is no new technology. Also comparing stock cars on stock cars is rediculous, of course a v8 will beat a 4cyl. it is twice the size so its not even a good argument. true there are some people who drive hondas who will slap on an intake and exhaust and go around talkin about how they can beat any domestic but let them get there asses handed to them when they actually race one, do not group all of us into that category. also if u wanna trash talk about how much faster a v8 is over a I4 when the new bugatti is released with a w16 go race him, thats twice your engine.
Im not tryin to hate on anyone im jus stating my opinion.
Id rather have a new cobra over an S2000 anyday. I want to go fast. And i wont be going fast in an S2000. maybe 14s is fast enough for you. But id rather be in the high 11s or low 12s. Hmm the cobra is a second and a half faster and easier to mod and get power out of. In the new mustang mag they strapped one on a dyno and put a K&N cone filter on. They went from 360rwhp to 385, no joke. Go ahead and put two engines in a type R, with all the money it would cost for the engine and fabrication id already be well ahead of whatever it could run with the same amount of money. And do you know why the viper only makes that much horsepower per litre. Cause they want it to be reliable. Id like to see any natural or turbo 2.0 or 1.8 push 500hp reliabley, day in and day out. Also RWD is better then even AWD. Drag cars pull much better times with RWD the AWD. Dave Buscher with the worlds fastest DSM converted to RWD. He pulls 1.2 60's Sean glazar is the fastest AWD he pulls high 1.4s. You would not need to convert a to AWD on a stang. Also again, there are guys in 5.0s getting the same amount of power per litre as you little ricers. With new heads cam and intake we are just about there. And with a high compression bottom end build like 10.5 to one and notched pistons we are over that on 92 octane gas. So push rods are low tech huh. No, its just another way of working the vavles. A cheaper and easier to fix way at that. Dont get me wrong, i have nothing against modular engines. Also the import drag cars with 2.0litre engines are pushing 1000 hp. Well thats only 500hp per litre compared to Top fuels 7500hp out of 8.2 litres. Thats almost 1000hp per litre, and you use pushrods suck huh. And they both use nitromethane. Also look at your precious toyotas V-8. Oh whats this only 240hp out of a 4.7 litre V-8. Thats only 51hp per litre. And not much more tq per litre. Id like to see honda make an inexpensive V-8 with over 4.0litres making 100hp per litre. It just cant be done, thats why ford doesnt make 500hp 5.0s. They want to keep cost down, and leave it up to the owner to decide if he wants that hp or not. Its not like ford cant build small engines with almost 100hp per litre. Look at the SVT Focus, 170hp. Also the Cosworth Focus puts out 300hp out of a 2.0. Buts its only sold in europe.
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Z06 best handling car stock? bwhahahahahahha no. try again.
imports will be the best handling no matter what u say.
Porsche 996 GT2.
Porsche 996 Turbo
Porsche 996 GT3(got BEST lap time at nurburgring, Z06 didnt come near it) look it up.
Porsche 944 turbo rothmans cup(cuz your going to throw a fit about price, this car was $30k new)
Porsche 952 aka porsche 944 turbo S
Porsche 993 turbo S
Ruf 996 Turbo R
Ruf R-GT
need i go on?
need i say more? congratulations on the vettes FINALLY entering in lemans to get smoked by the lower class 911 GT3 R's
also... if the domestics are so high and mighty why didthey have to 'rest' in lemans???? the vettes had to pull over for a bit beause they couldnt handle being run wide open for that long :laff: look it up.
And your naming all european imports. Im talking about japenese imports. I do like german cars as much as american cars. And i dont hate japanese imports either.
"Honda's are pitiful, they shouldnt even be called sports cars, all they are is slow" bla bla. you can find anyone to talk trash about any car. fag
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Originally posted by beemrmem3 And your naming all european imports. Im talking about japenese imports. I do like german cars as much as american cars. And i dont hate japanese imports either.
"Honda's are pitiful, they shouldnt even be called sports cars, all they are is slow" bla bla. you can find anyone to talk trash about any car. fag
the only fag i see around here is YOU bitch.
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