Ok, i'm not a honda guy, the only thing honda i got is a motorcycle (rebel, ye haww for 250cc) and i was wondering a few questions that could be really stupid so forgive me.
1. Does honda have any concept/production cars that are rwd in the 20k range (aka competition for saturn sky, dodge razor... ect)
2. Does that new honda truck thing come with a v8?
3. Does anyone see why i'm asking?
Could be fun and since dodge takes their merry old time to make the cars i like (and end up butchering them) and gm just pisses me off to start with it'd be fun to have a little guy to secretly admire
lol Honda has yet to come out with a V8. The new Ridgeline truck is a 255 hp V6 with economy mode (half of the 6 cylinders shut off when just cruisin) And yes, Honda has a rwd sports car called the S2000 with a 240 hp 4 banger in it. One of the few converts I wouldn't mind having cause it's pretty light. It is in the $30K range, but you can get some used ones for around $22K-$24 sometimes. Mostly everything else is front wheel or part time awd except for the Honda/Acura NSX (MR) and S2000.
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Ok, i'm not a honda guy, the only thing honda i got is a motorcycle (rebel, ye haww for 250cc) and i was wondering a few questions that could be really stupid so forgive me.
1. Does honda have any concept/production cars that are rwd in the 20k range (aka competition for saturn sky, dodge razor... ect)
2. Does that new honda truck thing come with a v8?
3. Does anyone see why i'm asking?
Could be fun and since dodge takes their merry old time to make the cars i like (and end up butchering them) and gm just pisses me off to start with it'd be fun to have a little guy to secretly admire
Someones testy.... Anyway, thanks for the input, i didn't realize s2000s were rwd, thats cool. If cost were all any of us cared about we'd get 5.0s from junk yards and drop 2 grand into them. I see period correct 1950s studebakers getting 650hp with duel turbos so i think by this day in age putting a small blown v8 in a small little car would be a hella good time.
2. No, and it doesn't need it. The market it's going for doesn't need to tow 10k pounds so they can get away with a v6.
Well yes of course i'm a domestic guy for the most part but i like the idea of light (honda) and powerful (not just getting away with a v6). v8s do much more for you than give you a towing rating but i won't insult you by explaining how. Your right, i don't know everything honda has to offer, but thats why i'm on this forum. I've got nothing in common with most of you but a love of cars and would like to be less ignorant than i am. As for the stude comment? my point was if 50 years ago you could pull 650 outta a stude without much real effort (smaller engine too btw) then you can't just pass up on them as worthless. 4 cyl was built for ecconomy and excluding the 1920s and earlier, thats what it always was. There isn't anything wrong with that but the thought behind honda engineers is fuel performance not go performance. Thats why you get beat (stock) by cars 3 times as old and three times the weight.
I'm not in this forum to fight with 4 cyl engine people and say your cars suck, i have said many times i respect anyone's car when it's owner is a gear head. Even once my personal car is done i'm sure a few of you will send it home (or at least back to the gas station) crying. So forgive the hot rodder in me for trying to think outside to box and come up with a car just about anyone (save hippies cause it'll burn too much gas) would at least have some respect for.
Well first off, just to get on the same page, i'm not talking about trucks at all, i asked about the ridge line just cause i figured if any honda had a v8, thats where it'd be comming from.
Secondly... gee where to start. How about this...sure, you can pull 1500 hp from a 4 banger, but its a matter of physics, you can pull more out of an 8 just cause you got more to work with. When it comes to driving its about what YOU want, you can make your car do about anything imagionalbe. I don't bash you for wanting a 4 or a 6 so at least let me have my 8s
The reason i mentioned the stude is to say we have advanced. 55 years ago we could easly (and fairly cheaply) get 650 so now we should be able to toast that.
And as for not understanding japan? i know they can't make bolts to save their life. I've never broken a bolt in my life and i've broken two on my honda bike (not that it wasn't my fault, but the steel they used still sucks)
The point? (again) i'm on the fourm to have fun and talk with like minded people. I was hoping to get tech info on making a v8 honda rather than trying to defend the concept of a v8. I'm not trying to convert anyone just trying to relate to your poor bolt making company (about the only bad thing i can say about honda is their bolts suck) But if you enjoy fighting the concepts of letting car guys be car guys so we can keep argueing thats fine. I know i don't have a 100K car that'll beat everyone, and i doubt you do either. Just like talking about what i do have and what i could build, the rest i'll leave for nhra.
Here is what i think would be great
2000 lbs car
v8
great suspension
brakes? (for traffic lights)
Now come on, wouldn't that be worth putting a few differences aside? And i'm talking about affordable, not something to build with the extra 40k i got sitting in my back pocket
pull more because of displacement, not how many cylinders. If you're going to pull physics out at least undersand it.
Its not just displacement and you know that. Bore and stroke are just as important in alot of respects. Why do you think they still make small v12s??
Thank you for showing the v8 honda, it does look cool. Do you know if it's designed for rwd or fwd? you could make it do either but one is easy one is hard i'm sure. How much do they sell that for (maybe you shouldn't tell me that one)
My attitude is just stressed cause i'm not lame enough to want to sit around argueing about v8s with ya, thats why i made my own topic so it wouldn't burn anyone. Also, nothing about hotrodding ever makes sense to do so thats not a valid reason not to do it. I planned on building it myself, hence the origional junk yard idea.
And to defend that poor studebaker.. I said it was period correct meaning everything on it are either NOS (new old stock, you guys probably don't have to deal with that term yet, maybe ya do, sorry if its universal) or exact reproductions. He didn't have to wait 50 years to make this car, could have been made right off the show room. Which is cool.. 1950s turbo stude.
and lastly, you don't have to call me a liar... i told you the bolts breaking where my own fault. fist was using a torque wrench that while said it could read 7 ft lbs clearly wasn't good at that low (snapped a head bolt on a bike with 600 miles on it, that was a good feeling, had to do everything but split the case pretty much). and the second was last night on the rear axle adjuster. I was using a small little ratchet and not too much torque and pop, off it went. If i did everything by the book i'm sure it wouldn't have happened, but whats the fun in that? If i did it on a brand new ford or something would the same thing happen? Probably. But not on my old AMC, Steel in general isn't as good (engineered differently for different people to be working on them) so i'm sure it's not honda but rather anyone new. Forgive me for mentioning it, i was still pissed it broke last night.
So anway... that honda v8, special order of course. 4l... 242 cui?? (just based on what a jeep is, of course the numbers are gonna be off a little). Is it just listed on mugens site? i'd be interested in more tech specs on that... its rpm range is high. Whats the redline? (and where is the torque?? Don't answer that one, i do know enough about engine building to understand how that works)
AND LAST.. i know japan is enviromentaly minded... i said that... thats what their (standard) engines are built for enviorment not high performance. Yes they make some obviously that are different but its not their focus. I forget if your signature says you what drive but i bet its not one of the ones designed outta the box for performance, and i bet you've not swapped in an engine that was designed for it. Anyway.. point me to more info on that engine if you'd be so kind.. forgive my abrasivness at times... *shakes hands*
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you say youre not here to trash on our cars, but your posts suggest otherwise.
and they still make small v12's because racing leagues put a limit on displacement. it was 1.5 L. i dont know what it is now. it might still be 1.5. but these engines have millions of dollars invested in them. i garauntee you that you could get 1000 hp or more out of a 1.5 L 4 cylinder if you had the money. with todays technology, pretty much anything is possible. FYI: those F1 cars with the 1.5 L turbo v12's pushing over 1000 hp have absolutely NO torque. ever wonder why they sound like hgih pitched remote control cars? because their rpms hover at around 14k.
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You guys are so damn welcoming. I know the race legal reason the v-12s are small, my point was, (and as you already know based on what you said) if it was all about displacement and nothing else we'd all use 2cyl engines (would a 1 cyl even work with 4 stroke? i don't think it would, maybe).
So that being said and you being the ones that said it i don't see why you think i'm bashing your cars just because i see advantages to v8s. And if you want to make the displacement arguement, once again you're just agreeing with me, my v8 has more displacement than your 4. Are there fours out there that are bigger? Heck yeah, ever see the displacements on those old old engines? Just because i reconized advantages to my engine doesn't mean i'm bashing yours. There are clear advantages to your engines too, and when i read about them i don't feel like i'm being bashed. So whats really the problem?
And yeah, i am partly ignorant to how you guys work on your cars, and that is why i'm here. Gotta know what i'm trying to beat. For some reason the idea of a true high performance honda seems sinful to you if you hate the idea of putting a v8 (or fine, large displacement 4) in these cars. Here is something we can both agree on... time slips don't list how well a car corners or how much gas it saved... well ok, at least not the time slips at the types of tracks i go to.
(would a 1 cyl even work with 4 stroke? i don't think it would, maybe).
Please shut up, you have no concept of how an engine works do you? You are completely inept to the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you even know what 4 stroke means? Obviously not other wise you wouldnt have asked the question of whether you can have a 1cyl 4 stroke engine.
Please shut up, you have no concept of how an engine works do you? You are completely inept to the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you even know what 4 stroke means? Obviously not other wise you wouldnt have asked the question of whether you can have a 1cyl 4 stroke engine.
Either shut up and learn noob or never come back?
Heres an idea. instead of what you just said you could have answered the damn question. How do you suggest i learn without asking? I do in fact know what a 4 stroke is and know it works darn well with 2 cyl but didn't couldn't imagion it being able to keep going very well with 1, but wasn't sure (cause maybe your jap friends figured something out that i didn't know about). Ass. Have you ever even taken an engine apart? or do you just know how to ask a real mechanic to put on a new intake so your stickers match your setup?
Seriously what is wrong with you people? I can talk to any other group of car people and we don't dwell on the differneces in interest. It's a shame i can't find someone more civil to just talk about moding a car on this forum. Bunch of high schoolers who've never been in real cars (import or domestic)
Where? seriously? Just because i think a well engineered v8 is better than a i4 with the same engineering in it doesn't mean that i think your cars suck. Is it flaming you to say that i think it'd be cool to make a honda faster by putting a honda v8 in it? if thats the case then you guys do nothing but flame hondas that are slower than you. Cause you want to do the same thing as me, just in a different way.
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um.. first of all, everyone has 1 cylinder 4 stroke engines. For talking all this shit you sure have no idea what is going on. Go look at pretty much any lawn mower, cheaper go-kart, etc. etc.
My lawn mower is a two stroke and i fully admit i don't know lots about small engines, didn't know if it'd be able to have the energy to compress on the 4th stroke... it really isn't the point, my point was that if number of cyl didn't matter we'd all use the smallest number possible (1). Thats not the case so one much assume more is better.
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2 of my family's cars. We do all of our own work. Suck a dick because you have no idea what you're up against.
njn63, the last few post weren't even directed to you, i had almost believed you were civil enough to talk to.
And what exactaly am i up against? What am i pushing? what am i flaming? I'm not pretending i think hondas are the best, but i'm here with an open enough mind that i want to know a bit more and you guys take every thing i say as an attack against your car. Yet in your replies you end up agreeing with me (displacement is good, more cyl is good, light is good) and it seems you just want to disagree. So if you're trying to just get me to leave (you're putting alot of effort into something here) just give up. I'd of been happy if this post had stuck to its intent instead of our bickering. I've tried over and over to make peace with you kids. If you ever want respect from anyone you really should try offering some.
i've never seen a 2-stroke mower that i can think of. Weed eaters, yes, but never a lawn mower. What brand is it?
It's an old pos that i've don't have any clue what brand it is (kelly maybe??) ... Lots of old bikes are 2 strokes, heck they've even made some 2 stroke cars, but i can't give names cause i don't remember what ones. The fact that i didn't know if they could make a 1 cyl 4 stroke still has nothing to do with any of this so i'll just wait for your reply... (have fun with the chem)
But if more cylinders is better, why stop at 8? And quite honestly no honda needs a v8 besides the NSX which is now discontinued.
No arguement there. I honestly have to say the best car advertisement i've ever come accross was an old 1940s caddy add that said "8 cylinders not enough? Cadillac 12". Of course money is a factor to us all, and size of engine comartments (more so with a honda than what i'm used to). v8s are the biggest dime a dozen engine though. Thats why if the ridgline had one it'd be better, but that racing one looked good enough to at least know what they wanted for it.
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You obviously don't know much about motors. Not that it's a bad thing, but don't resort to talking shit just because you don't know. Go and look up hit and miss engines that only fire every 5-20 rotations of the crank (depending on design) and tell me that 4-stroke 1 cylinders won't work.
I don't know much about small motors. I know motors miss all the time. SO since the number of cylinders possible really wasn't the point (and the actual point has been beaten to death too) lets drop it cause i was wrong and never said i was right, thats why i said it in the form of a question.
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And i can't think of any 2-stroke cars. I know a lot of companies were working on 2-strokes in the early 90s (ferrari and chrysler both had programs for sure) but non made it to market because of emissions. Do you know any offhand? Because i'd honestly like to know about them. It's the kind of useless knowledge i would normally know.
I don't remember what they were, and i didn't see anything in the 5 seconds i spent doing a google search. We went over it in one of the auto classes i was in awhile ago just as a passing comment. It was something european though i think and it was a long time ago. I'll try and find it, but i'm pretty sure they aren't even collector cars cause no one wanted em so it may take a bit of random free time.
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there were about 5 people that replied in this topic and 2-3 recently. You said "bunch of high schoolers who've never been in real cars." Hmm.. i wonder where i got that you were talking to me?
Sorry
So has anyone on this forum seen a s2k with a v8 (10, 12 or 16 would be fine too)
