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Old 03-30-2005, 07:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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loosening bolts

hello everyone, alright, i have a really random tool question.

pretend i have a really stubborn bolt to loosen. i was always taught to use a standard wrench to loosen it, rather than a ratchet. i always preferred it this way anyways because the power i apply on the wrench is in-line with the bolt, and using a wrench elimates any slack i get with using a ratchet. also, there are no moving parts in a wrench, and i've heard of ratchets going to hell when too much torque is applied to them, and the busted knuckles that accompany them.

however, it is common knowledge that a 6-point socket is less likely to round off a screw than a 12-point. but wrenches are 12-point. so, which is better to use? a 6-point socket with a ratchet, or a wrench? are there 6 point wrenches?

i guess that using a 6-point socket with a flexhead breaker bar would be ideal, but out of those two which is better... thanks!
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Old 03-31-2005, 08:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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open-ended box wrench for me... 4 sides > ?
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Old 03-31-2005, 09:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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6 point socket hugs the bolt real well, with a little WD 40 you should be fine
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what's the stuff that's supposed to penetrate the bolt and seep into the threads (not wd-40). god, i can't think of the name of it...
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hello everyone, alright, i have a really random tool question.

pretend i have a really stubborn bolt to loosen. i was always taught to use a standard wrench to loosen it, rather than a ratchet. i always preferred it this way anyways because the power i apply on the wrench is in-line with the bolt, and using a wrench elimates any slack i get with using a ratchet. also, there are no moving parts in a wrench, and i've heard of ratchets going to hell when too much torque is applied to them, and the busted knuckles that accompany them.

however, it is common knowledge that a 6-point socket is less likely to round off a screw than a 12-point. but wrenches are 12-point. so, which is better to use? a 6-point socket with a ratchet, or a wrench? are there 6 point wrenches?

i guess that using a 6-point socket with a flexhead breaker bar would be ideal, but out of those two which is better... thanks!
i would use a ratchet with a 6 pt socket, i bust my knuckels alot more when i just use my wrenches
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what's the stuff that's supposed to penetrate the bolt and seep into the threads (not wd-40). god, i can't think of the name of it...
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yea, have you used it? how's that stuff work?
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Good 6pt socket and a breaker bar - but be careful! Soak with some good penetrating fluid (agree, there are beter products for this than WD40) - loosen, tighten as sometimes a nut/bolt is hard stuck one way but a bit looser the other. If somewhere where you can use heat (and you know what the hell your doing) you can heat the bolt with a tourch to expand the metal (don't try it, if you ain't done it before) Last resort; you break the damn thing then its a drill and easy-outs and heli-coil inserts (possibly, if needed)

Wrench vs socket - either, but personally i'll use a socket/breaker-bar every time. 12 vs 6pt..... a 6pt is always stronger & less chances of sliping!
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