hi, i have a civic93 with a b16a2 swap, i/h/e, boost valve, and koni yellows.
i had original plans of 50 shot of nos but have a bit more money to spend, i was thinking of a turbo setup.
i wanna keep the internals stock on my engine and aim to make in the region of 220-240hp how much psi can i run on my stock b16a2?. i dont know much about turbos, is it better to piece one together or simply buy a kit??
not entirely true. Yes, the reliability will be less than if it were stock, but so would a full NA setup. Good fuel management will keep a motor lasting a LONG time. A safe area for a stock b16 is around 8psi. I am going to run 6 on mine, with uberdata and 450cc injectors. Remember keeping plenty of fuel in there keeps temps low which prevents detonation, which is what kills it. I would piece a kit. Front mount on ebay, (old starion, or even the little off brands) t3 turbo, manifold, downpipe, injectors, oil lines, piping, uberdata, and boom, you have a nice reliable turbo b16.
keep it n.a. once you turbo a honda it's not so realible anymore,also do you know if the engine can stand up to it.
Love talking out of your ass? Dude, do some research before you spout off lies on a public forum. As commador stated, with a good tune, turbo honda's can be just as reliable as stock hondas.
As for seeing if the engine can withstand boost, do a compression and leakdown test to see if your motor is in good condition to boost.
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Originally Posted by b16a2 pwr
hi, i have a civic93 with a b16a2 swap, i/h/e, boost valve, and koni yellows.
i had original plans of 50 shot of nos but have a bit more money to spend, i was thinking of a turbo setup.
i wanna keep the internals stock on my engine and aim to make in the region of 220-240hp how much psi can i run on my stock b16a2?. i dont know much about turbos, is it better to piece one together or simply buy a kit??
does anyone recommend a kit?
plz reply
thanx
B16's can take quite of bit of punishment as they can withstand 300whp on a stock block with a good tune. Just be sure to do a compression and leakdown test before subjecting it to boost. As for psi, don't look at it that way, as it is totally irrevelent since different turbos flow differently and make power differently. A t3 at 15lbs of boost is not even comparable to a sc61 at the same boost levels since the sc61 is by far a bigger turbo, being able to produce more power at lower boost levels.
If you don't want to look around and piecing together your own kit, go with a Greddy, spools nice and can make the amount of power you are looking for. However, if you can do some more research as to what parts you want to use, and more specifically what turbo you want to use, and perhaps save money, go custom.
[quote=xtremefusion]Love talking out of your ass? :
very funny but if he's gonna keep the internals un touched do it the safe way and go na.and yes turbo hondas can be realiable enough if done right but ,remember he's on a bugdet.also once he goes turbo fuel mileage is gonna go down the drane,and the way gas prices are now ,thats a no no.
he ought to go with an
exhaust
header
intake
throtlebody
brakes most def
tires
fuel pump
hondata engine management
and a air/fuel controler
for a good 2 g's and mabe get up to 225-250 hp
very funny but if he's gonna keep the internals un touched do it the safe way and go na.and yes turbo hondas can be realiable enough if done right but ,remember he's on a bugdet.also once he goes turbo fuel mileage is gonna go down the drane,and the way gas prices are now ,thats a no no.
he ought to go with an
exhaust
header
intake
throtlebody
brakes most def
tires
fuel pump
hondata engine management
and a air/fuel controler
for a good 2 g's and mabe get up to 225-250 hp
And I reiterate, go do some MAJOR research before spreading useless info on a forum. And tell me, what would be the point of using a header and intake if he is to turbocharge it? If perhaps you would be a bit more knowledgeable, you would understand that turbocharging a honda would replace those items with a turbo manifold as well as the charge piping. A bigger throttle body isn't needed either...
Granted, if you are trying to say that it won't be just as reliable as a stock honda, that is true, but to say that it will be unreliable is just plain false info.
As for your gas mileage argument... I am pretty certain that anyone modifying their car should know that their gas mileage will suffer. If we cared about gas mileage, we probably wouldn't even attempt of modifying our cars.
ummmm wasn't i saying not to turbo charge the honda instead go na so when you say "And tell me, what would be the point of using a header and intake if he is to turbocharge it? If perhaps you would be a bit more knowledgeable, you would understand that turbocharging a honda would replace those items with a turbo manifold as well as the charge piping. A bigger throttle body isn't needed either..." WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT . i listed those parts for him as a option to think about for instead of going turbo.
oh yeah as for kits if your gonna go turbo go modacar.com they have alot but price is 2000+. knowing your car is kinda of hybrid it''s 2800+ for you, so i think my idea is better.
ummmm wasn't i saying not to turbo charge the honda instead go na so when you say "And tell me, what would be the point of using a header and intake if he is to turbocharge it? If perhaps you would be a bit more knowledgeable, you would understand that turbocharging a honda would replace those items with a turbo manifold as well as the charge piping. A bigger throttle body isn't needed either..." WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT . i listed those parts for him as a option to think about for instead of going turbo.
So you really think all of those mods that you listed will yield him 225-250whp?
Here is a good thread that shows your ignorance and stupidity: it's over
oh yeah as for kits if your gonna go turbo go modacar.com they have alot but price is 2000+. knowing your car is kinda of hybrid it''s 2800+ for you, so i think my idea is better.
Hey, if your going to provide n/a setups, at least provide one that is credible. The one you listed for him is NOT going to yield him 225-250whp. He should be looking at upgrading the head and his bottom end for higher compression to make power n/a wise, and oh yeah, its going to be way more expensive for him to reach his goals as well if he is to do it n/a.
As to why I thought you were talking about a turbo setup, that simple, you mentioned hondata, aftermarket fuel pump, bigger brakes and an air/fuel controller...I'm sorry, but those mods aren't even needed for the rest of the mods that you provided if you were talking about an n/a setup you listed. He is still going to be slow as shit with the mods you provided. Maybe perhaps if you mentioned aftermarket cams, higher compression pistons, upgraded valvetrain, and the likes that make power in an n/a setup, then I would agree with you....Now I really think you are even stupider than I thought beforehand now that you mentioned he is going to make that amount of power with the mods you listed.
First of all i dont own a honda but i know more about them than most. i just joined this forum to show daloyal how ignorant he is.
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exhaust
header
intake
throtlebody
brakes most def
tires
fuel pump
hondata engine management
and a air/fuel controler
for a good 2 g's and mabe get up to 225-250 hp
first of all in what universe will that setup yield you 225 to 250 hp? SPECIALLY on a b16, please enlighten me because wow that would be amazing.
next, you say to get hondata which is all fine and dandy (uberdata will work the same for free though) but then you say to get an a/f controller? uhm hondata tunes the air fuel and timing so why do you need that? so you can further mess with the settings and proceed to mess up the timing curve??? i see thats some good tuning right there.
next bigger brakes.. if your not road racing the car, why upgrade the brakes? shave 5 feet off your stopping distance maybe. most upgraded brakes and big brake kits dont shave much distance they only prevent brake fade. which is only useful in road racing and auto-x situations. get better bads and steel braided lines and call it a day for a street car, plus you cant fit 13's and 14's and sometimes 15's on a big brake kit, so there goes your chances of running slicks
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oh yeah as for kits if your gonna go turbo go modacar.com they have alot but price is 2000+. knowing your car is kinda of hybrid it''s 2800+ for you, so i think my idea is better.
wow your one of those people that doesnt know much about cars and buys "kits" where half the components are obsolete from the start, and then proceed to spit out useless banter on a web forum in an attempt to sound intelligent. If you had actually done some research you would know that full turbo setup with fully tunable fuel management upgraded injectors, nice size intercooler, nice size turbo, etc will only cost about $2,000 at the most if you know how to shop. A setup like that will yeild over 300 whp on a stock b16 at the limit of the motor. but it will be indefinately reliable with a good tune at about 250whp.
and remember... N/A will always be slow compared to a proper boost setup.
sorry to other members if they feel i was out of line i just cant stand to see flase informantion posted on the internet. a newbie might take daloyals word as gospel and end up wasting his money.
being in the uk the price would probably go up due to shipping. but all the aprts are available used and enw. check out this forums classified section as well other honda forums, dont know if i'm allowed to post other forums on here. if anything pm me for more info i'll be glad to help.
hondata....HA HA HA!!! for the price of that, you can uber, AND a wide band to tune the focker! Here is what you do. Get dsm injectors, goto radio shack, and get 10ohm 10watt resisitors. Get two packs since they come in pairs. Wire these in the yellow black wires in the injector harness. Swap out the stock injectors for the 450's. You will need to grind out the lower seal, but thats easy. Also, you will need to grind out that tab in the injector plug. You will see what I mean when you try to clip them on. Get a BMC racing manifold. 185 for a t3. Get a t3 turbo. Should be about 150 or less. Then, for cheapness but quality, get a dsm BOV. Grab some 2.5" exhaust tubing, and make your charge pipes. Should be about 150 or less. Get a flange kit from ssautochrome ( I know there mannis suck, but thier flanges are nice). Then, goto a muffler shop, and have them fab you a DP out of mild steel tubing. Then, get a 2.5" exhaust. DL uberdata, use the site! lots of help there! then, goto moates.com, get the uberdata kit, and the burner. Then, DL tunerpro RT, and burn your basemap. Hookup your wideband, (and other gauges) install your turbo, and oil lines (feed and return) and start the car, do a run, and check your AF. You have spent LESS than 1500, and have a REALLY reliable setup. Trust me, its easier than it sounds, how do I know? Ive DONE IT!
Oh yeah, follow the datalogging guid on uberdata. That is your golden ticket to tuning. All you need is an rs232 to ttl adapter. Just plug that into your laptop for tuning. BEWARE: when you burn your chips, disable o2 heater and disable closed loop. You only need to do this for tuning, but if you keep it this way, it will run just fine. Your ecu will use the maps YOU TUNED, instead of trying to get the whole thing to 14.7 and screw the whole thing up.
Ok, Im done. But there is a really good overview of turboing with uberdata.
Get a starion front mount intercooler off ebay, shouldnt be more than 100 or so, and mount that with your charge pipes. Also, another easy install.
turbo my b16a2??
Dude, do some research before you spout off lies on a public forum. As commador stated, with a good tune, turbo honda's can be just as reliable as stock hondas. 
I am pretty certain that anyone modifying their car should know that their gas mileage will suffer. If we cared about gas mileage, we probably wouldn't even attempt of modifying our cars.
Here is what you do. Get dsm injectors, goto radio shack, and get 10ohm 10watt resisitors. Get two packs since they come in pairs. Wire these in the yellow black wires in the injector harness. Swap out the stock injectors for the 450's. You will need to grind out the lower seal, but thats easy. Also, you will need to grind out that tab in the injector plug. You will see what I mean when you try to clip them on. Get a BMC racing manifold. 185 for a t3. Get a t3 turbo. Should be about 150 or less. Then, for cheapness but quality, get a dsm BOV. Grab some 2.5" exhaust tubing, and make your charge pipes. Should be about 150 or less. Get a flange kit from ssautochrome ( I know there mannis suck, but thier flanges are nice). Then, goto a muffler shop, and have them fab you a DP out of mild steel tubing. Then, get a 2.5" exhaust. DL uberdata, use the site! lots of help there! then, goto moates.com, get the uberdata kit, and the burner. Then, DL tunerpro RT, and burn your basemap. Hookup your wideband, (and other gauges) install your turbo, and oil lines (feed and return) and start the car, do a run, and check your AF. You have spent LESS than 1500, and have a REALLY reliable setup. Trust me, its easier than it sounds, how do I know? Ive DONE IT! 
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