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Old 06-11-2008, 08:35 AM   #1 (permalink)
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ok last night while i was driving my alternator belt popped of (battery light came on) so i was a good distance away from home but i didn't want to leave my car because it was still running ok...so i make it to my buddies shop only to realize that my crank pulley had wiggled its way off (probably why the belt came off in the first place...a loose pulley)...NOW...my question is AM I SCREWED BY DRIVING WITHOUT THE PULLEY (about 10 miles) i need a damage report ASAP

Question number two...now i need to replace it and i was thinking about getting a set of Unorthodox pulleys...now i know about talk on how they over time kill your motor and id like some opinions, also i found this:


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4) "Is my crank pulley a harmonic/torsional/vibration damper or a harmonic balancer?"
People are getting their crank pulleys confused with the harmonic dampers found on some domestic V6 & V8 engines. "Harmonic Balancer" is a term used loosely in the automotive industry. Technically, this type of device does not exist. The "balancer" part comes from engines that are externally balanced and have a counterweight cast into the damper. None of the applications we offer use a counterweight as part of the pulley, as these engines are all internally balanced.

The pulleys on most of the new import and smaller domestic engines have an elastomer (rubber ring) incorporated into the pulley making them look similar to a harmonic damper. The elastomer in the OEM pulley serves as an isolator, which is there to suppress noise from the engine accessories; the A/C compressor, P/S pump, and alternator. This is what the manufacturers call NVH (Noise Vibration & Harshness) when referring to noticeable noise and vibration in the passenger compartment. It is important to realize in these applications, the elastomer is inadequate in size and durability to act as an effective torsional damper. If you look at the pulleys on some imports there is no rubber to be found at all. We have samples of these, mostly from Acura/Honda B & D Series engines, Nissan Altima, 1.8L Eclipse, 2.3L Fords, Chrysler 2.2L's, and 1.8L VW's just to mention a few. Most owners who have installed our pulleys notice the engine actually feels smoother. This is result of replacing the heavy crank pulley with our crank pulley. NVH is variable and unique to every car. NVH will increase with the installation of an aftermarket intake and/or exhaust, for example. Think of OEM intake systems in newer cars, they use baffles and resonators in the intake to quiet all the intake noise. Aftermarket intakes eliminate these resonators and create dramatic increases in engine noise from the throttle opening and closing. So to most tuners, certain types of NVH can make the driving experience more enjoyable.

The purpose of a traditional harmonic damper is to protect against crank failure from torsional movement and frequencies of high amplitude. This is not necessary in most modern engines because of the many advances in engine design and materials. Factors such as shorter stroke length, smaller displacement, piston dwell time, piston pin off-set, power output, etc., do determine when and how these harmonics and torsional movements occur. More importantly the actual tune of the engine, espcially with modified vheciles, is the biggest factor in potential engine damage. Poor tuning leads to detonation which is an engine killer that no damper can stop.

Again, there is a lot of internet hearsay about solid crank pulleys. When engine problems occur, too often people are quick to blame the pulley first, rather than taking the time to look logically into why there was a problem. We hope that after reading this you will understand our crank pulleys better.
On their website....so is this a bunch of BS to sell products or is it some truth to put the internet hearsay to rest???

SORRY FOR THE LENGTHY POST BUT PLEASE HELP...THANKS IN ADVANCE
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Old 06-11-2008, 01:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Keep the OEM pulleys.
The others will do more damage than good.
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I have personally had my hands on ALL of the vehicles he mentioned in that post and ALL have a VIBRATIONAL DAMPENER. Whether it be a rubber ring in the pully or a complete multipad rubber dampening system that is in place - they are all there. Why? Because the engine NEEDS THEM to dampen out the engine noises that travel up and down the crankshaft. Left unchecked they will create resonances that will damage parts in the lower end. And YES - the accessories make noise that travels the crank without the VD being in place. So another REASON to say no to CRANK PULLIES!
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