Mods: T3 turbo 22lbs boost, custom intake/header/exhaust Tec II comp. 65mm throttle body, and a few extra goodies
really it comes down to how much money you have to burn. the hondata system for what it is, is very good for the money you spend, It is limited though, for some reasons they dont make use of any GPO (General Purpose Outputs) to control whatever , wastegates,fans,nos,intercooler coolers, etc. other than the fact that you have to mess with burning chips, its a damn good system for a grand. Ive seen setups that are pushing 5-600hp useing the hondata setup.
the aem system is also very good, however you pay a premium price for the system you get, It has several gpo's and you can prettymuch do whatever you want with the system, Its most notible feature, is that you can take it out of a honda and put it in any other vehicle and make it work with a little programming, which helps if you ever decide to sell it down the road.
This post has helped me decide on the AEM EMS. Is it necessary to tune it with a wideband O2? Also, AEM's website is a little fuzzy on describing all the features on EMS. Could someone also explain each features for the Hondas?
good post bmiles, but maxpsi, why did you deicde on the AEM EMS out of one post? You should really take a hard, detailed look at both the Hondata and AEM products to decide which one you will want more. I suggest Hondata, because it's more established and it's my opinion that when a turbo Honda is tuned with Hondata on board, the results are better tha say, with an AEM EMS. The EMS has issues with software (which are being resolved somewhat), affecting functionality. it's my feeling the Hondata mates better into the turbo Honda tuning equation, not to totally knock the aem ems tho.
p.s. are you going to be using a laptop to do your own tuning? since you're interested in the aem ems and 4b
and yes, tuning with a wideband o2 sensor is the only way to go for proper tuning
yes i have a laptop. Can't I just find someone with a wideband O2 with there dynojet? I mean to get started you need a dyno and base maps right? Then from there on out I can fiddle with it a little here and there with the laptop inside the car.
Mods: T3 turbo 22lbs boost, custom intake/header/exhaust Tec II comp. 65mm throttle body, and a few extra goodies
the price of the wideband o2 sensor shouldnt be a real problem compared to the price of the aem system,
Like my man civperc said why did you automaticly decide to buy the aem system with my one post, I didnt think I was biased on my post, however I probably should have been, I will tell you from experience that tuning a car with a hondata is by far the easiest PMS system I have ever worked with. There are many different little quircks with aem system, I dont really care for the way it is laid out.
If you really want to buy a stand alone system I would recomend that Electromotive TEC 3 system, Ive worked with the old tec II system and was very pleased with the software and performance of the unit. not only that but it will take care of the ingnition as well, it comes with a set of gm coil packs, no matter what you run that ignition system is ready for it.
however Im still a big believer in the hondata system for the complete package it provides,at such a good value. It is also the easiset sytem to tune for a person barely learning to tune motors.
For your first system I would recomend going with the hondata system, for the price of $2000 you can get the 4b sytem w/ a wideband o2 meter, and really never have to mess with the expence of a dyno,unless you wanted your hp figures.
P.S. sorry for such a long post again.
Zdyne can't help me cause they don't make anything for my 6th gen (96-2k) civic. Prolly cause it has that evil OBD2 ahhhhh!!!!
It seems like all these companies would find a to accomodate OBD2 users like the AEM EMS has.
Mods: T3 turbo 22lbs boost, custom intake/header/exhaust Tec II comp. 65mm throttle body, and a few extra goodies
No that is not true, the hondata system is desinged to replace the afc "hack". Once you have that system, that is pretty much all you will need, it will handle all of your fueling and ingition needs. Yes you will need a laptop to tune the hondata system.
Why would you need a laptop to tune a afc?
Mods: iceman cold air. dc sports ceramic header, venom 400 control module, b+m regulator and pressure gauge, advanced timing, port matched intake and exhaust ports, ported and polished gsr manifold, clutchmasters aluminum flywheel and stage 3 clutch,
when you figure in the 0bd2 to obd1 conversion they cost about the same and with the aem you will be able to directly plug in a wide band sensor and use it to adjust a/f ratios. in the end more options and less overall hassle.
Wideband automapping feature is in the works for the AEM EMS... Supposed to be completed months ago but like always it has been delayed : It will be huge when it comes out though
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Currently you do need to calibrate your AEM EMS if you want to use a wideband with it, so be sure to get a wideband with a display to make it easier... There air/fuel logs are consistently off and just need to be calibrated manually for good data logs
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: It will be huge when it comes out though
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