this is my first time boosting and my question is well i be fine with this setup right here i posted it in civic-tech which i shouln't have, i should have posted here first. the other question i got is what type of fuel pump, injectors to get since this is going to be on stock internals? thanks for all your help. sorry for posting this twice just needs my questions answer so delete the one in civic-tech
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-fuel pump(what kinda walbro 255)
-injectors(DSM 450cc injectors)
-b16 (lsd tranny)
-flywheel(act 12.5 if i decide to get one)
-clutch
-oil pump
-fuel regulator
-head gasket(how thick should i go, where can i get one acura, honda?)
-water pump
-new timing belt
-itr valvetrain
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Hey man,
Welcome to the dark side, lol.
I think u should do this... U r running a B16A1 right?
U don't really need head gasket, what's ur C/R 10.2:1? If u r running stock internals, u shouldn't boost more than 8psi. I got B16A w/ GSR head, so C/R is like 10.7:1 n I don't even need thicker head gasket.
U Don't need flywheel, actually I've heard with a lighter flywheel, VTEC Dis-engagement is real harsh and could be bad for the motor.
Definitely get a Water pump and timing belt, if they haven't been done in awhile. U prob don't really need ITR valvetrain, unless u want to rev real high.
U don't need fuel rail. Hell u don't even need a high-flow pump, as long as u run a Chipped -ECU along with DSM 450cc injectors, which is what I'm running. A fuel regulator will help.
Definitely get a clutch, I'd recommend ACT Heavy-duty PP, with hybrid street disc, mine works real nice
As for the VAFC, I'd say if u have a PR3 or OBD-0 ECU, get it chipped, it'll run real nice
boost is relative to turbo size. So dont tell him he shouldnt run more then 8psi without knowing the turbo size.
LOOK DUDE, I KNOW U LIKE TO WAIT UNTIL OTHER PEOPLE REPLY TO THESE POSTS, AND THEN JUMP ALL OVER THEM.
MAYBE U SHOULD OFFER A LITTLE MORE ADVICE THAN TRYING AGAIN!!! TO CRITICIZE ME.
GET A LIFE LOSER! MAYBE U COULD START HELPING PEOPLE INSTEAD OF ACTING LIKE A COCKY LITTLE FUCK
I was just pointing out you were wrong. Dont spread untrue information.
As far as the fuel rail and that, I would agree stay stock. Not worth the money.
I would however go with the pump for peace of mind and get something to tune it down with. I dont agree with a VAFC for tuning on a Honda, but its your car and will somewhat work kind of reliably.
ITR Valvetrain is not neede to rev that head, but I can tell you that GSR cams or ITR cams with a bigger profile will make up quite a bit of horsepower difference in your car.
Water pump, oil pump and timing belt is a good choice if you think they need replacement. I guess it depends on miles.
I will vote against a flywheel. Stock is best. But if you do decide to go ligfhter I would go like ACT 12.5lb flywheel so you still keep a decent weight in it for ease of keeping the crank spinning.
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I was just pointing out you were wrong. Dont spread untrue information.
As far as the fuel rail and that, I would agree stay stock. Not worth the money.
I would however go with the pump for peace of mind and get something to tune it down with. I dont agree with a VAFC for tuning on a Honda, but its your car and will somewhat work kind of reliably.
ITR Valvetrain is not neede to rev that head, but I can tell you that GSR cams or ITR cams with a bigger profile will make up quite a bit of horsepower difference in your car.
Water pump, oil pump and timing belt is a good choice if you think they need replacement. I guess it depends on miles.
I will vote against a flywheel. Stock is best. But if you do decide to go ligfhter I would go like ACT 12.5lb flywheel so you still keep a decent weight in it for ease of keeping the crank spinning.
thanks guys it really help me out and saving money too. actually this is going on a b17a1 (compression 9.6) with a t3/t4 turbo. what would be a good tuning solution since you guys say vafc really won't help? so just get injectors, fuel pump, oil pump, water pump, timing belt, clutch. O and one more thing i already have ctr cams i don't want my valves to float, so i'm goign to get a stiffer vavletrain. and this case i'm going to get all the parts sooner then i thought. should be boosting in like a month what kind of fuel pump should i get?
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A vafc will work, I just dont trust them on NA to Turbo cars.
Factory turbo cars are OK with them though. Supra guys have made like 600whp with VAFC's, but totally different motors.
Hondas need timing control.
Id say if you are on a budget go with Uberdata or something to the effect of that.
If you do go with something like that get a walbro 255 so you have something to grow into.
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thanks guys it really help me out and saving money too. actually this is going on a b17a1 (compression 9.6) with a t3/t4 turbo. what would be a good tuning solution since you guys say vafc really won't help? so just get injectors, fuel pump, oil pump, water pump, timing belt, clutch. O and one more thing i already have ctr cams i don't want my valves to float, so i'm goign to get a stiffer vavletrain. and this case i'm going to get all the parts sooner then i thought. should be boosting in like a month what kind of fuel pump should i get?
Sorry ITR206, I wasn't trying to spread misinformation.
We could get technical, by looking at flow rates and such but, i just figured he'd be running a smaller turbo, where the boost pressure is the limiting factor, not the airflow (flow rate). This being the case, I said 8psi, b/c that's about the maximum u can run on stock internals, so I've heard. Yes, if he's running a huge ass turbo, 8psi could be bad news.
As for the engine, 9.6:1 compression is good, u don't need a head gasket to lower it. I have a t25 on my setup, and I don't use a fuel pump.
Technically u don't need a fuel pump because if u use 450cc injectors, u use stock fuel pressure. It might be extra incentive to get one if u can.
I use Uberdata, I'd say get ur ECU chipped, don;t even mess with VAFC.
but in turn with 450cc injectors if your fuel pump isnt in its prime days it wont flow enuff fuel to get the full output to the injectors.
It all comes down to power.
I personally think if you wanna have fun on a stock B series for a while, keep it under or about 300whp. You can make more and I have made more, but things get iffy going more then that and just expect the worst just in case.
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but in turn with 450cc injectors if your fuel pump isnt in its prime days it wont flow enuff fuel to get the full output to the injectors.
It all comes down to power.
I personally think if you wanna have fun on a stock B series for a while, keep it under or about 300whp. You can make more and I have made more, but things get iffy going more then that and just expect the worst just in case.
right now i just want something to play not looking for what is going to gain more like this is going to be experiance for me. my fuel pump hasn't been change or the fuel filter since the car was made 1989 so in my case i need to change it lol. you guys been a great help and let you know how it goes. where can i get a Uberdata? any other advice, like anything i need to watch out for etc?
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Get the fuel pump, avoid the v-afc/safc for tuning (it's old and outdated) go with uberdata if your on a tight budget, or hondata if you want better support.
If you want it to last tune for 300whp (or so) or less....psi means nothing. If it takes 10psi to = 300whp then your good, if it takes 15psi to make 300whp then your good....invest in your tuning and you will NOT regret it, trust me.
like the others said, don't spend money where you don't need too, if you don't have to (if your trying to stick to a budget)....
fyi, I ran a garrett t3t4 .57 trim .63 a/r on my stock b16...@ 14psi I made almost 300whp....9psi I made 248whp....just a bit of a reference.....
Oh and your compression is good, keep the headgasket the stock size.
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Hey man,
Uberdata is nothing more than a free program u use to make a fuel/ignition map. U gotta get ur ECU chipped, or DIY, it's not too too hard. I'd say find someone who does the tuning and has all of the parts (EEPROM burner, misc stuff). I got lucky when I met some dude at an autoparts store, who did this stuff, otherwise I'd prob still be using the FMU.
I was originally turned off by the idea, but seeing as how easy it is, it's absoulutely the best way to go. As for the Hondata, I'm sure it's an excellent product, but when u can have a little less flexibility for HUNDREDS of dollars less, (like 7-800; after it's tuned) it's easy to see why Uberdata n such are really nice alternatives. Just read up on the stuff, you should be able to figure it out.
I'd say u def should get a fuel pump and a new filter, for sure.
Also, whatever u do, make sure the oil lines R hooked up right, I know some dude who went through 2-3 new turbos on his DSM cause his oil lines were bad.
Also, R u doing the install urself?
yeah use uberdata if you are on a budget... thats what I use on mine.. b16a2 with a t3/t4.... 255lph fuel pump.... dsm 450 injectors... yada yada yada... uberdata is a nice thing to have compared to vafc... you can't adjust your timing with a vafc... as far as being tuned... mine is tuned @9psi and on stock internals with no problems.... later Mike
Sorry ITR206, I wasn't trying to spread misinformation.
We could get technical, by looking at flow rates and such but, i just figured he'd be running a smaller turbo, where the boost pressure is the limiting factor, not the airflow (flow rate). This being the case, I said 8psi, b/c that's about the maximum u can run on stock internals, so I've heard. Yes, if he's running a huge ass turbo, 8psi could be bad news.
As for the engine, 9.6:1 compression is good, u don't need a head gasket to lower it. I have a t25 on my setup, and I don't use a fuel pump.
Technically u don't need a fuel pump because if u use 450cc injectors, u use stock fuel pressure. It might be extra incentive to get one if u can.
I use Uberdata, I'd say get ur ECU chipped, don;t even mess with VAFC.
8psi on a t25 and 8psi on an SC61 produce totally different CFM's. you want to get technical with air flow? technically...CFMs?
just cuz you read/heard it somewhere on the net doesnt mean its right. you can run 8psi and still blow your motor even with a tiny turbo. ive seen tons of people boosting 10-14psi on stock blocks on a conservative tune and they are fine. boost is relative to the turbo size and mostly the tune... you should set your goal by whp not by psi like ITR has said
Get the fuel pump, avoid the v-afc/safc for tuning (it's old and outdated) go with uberdata if your on a tight budget, or hondata if you want better support.
If you want it to last tune for 300whp (or so) or less....psi means nothing. If it takes 10psi to = 300whp then your good, if it takes 15psi to make 300whp then your good....invest in your tuning and you will NOT regret it, trust me.
like the others said, don't spend money where you don't need too, if you don't have to (if your trying to stick to a budget)....
fyi, I ran a garrett t3t4 .57 trim .63 a/r on my stock b16...@ 14psi I made almost 300whp....9psi I made 248whp....just a bit of a reference.....
Oh and your compression is good, keep the headgasket the stock size.
so set it to 300whp i won't be able to run 14 psi right lol sorry still learning? how did you get to run that. what was your setup like. i have my ecu chip so i'm not worry about that,i heard rc injector are good 350cc or even 450cc. could i use one of those? im not throwing on the turbo untill i have money for the tuning!
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