I've been looking into a Drag III turbo kit. I spoke to Ben@importparts.com. He says the kit would not pass the visual inspection but would pass emissions. What makes the Greddy street legal and not the Drag III? I'm not really sure of the quality of the Drag III compared to Greddy or Apex-i
I believe it's because the greddy has no bov and an internal wastegate.
In order for you to have a bov (and pass inspection) it has to vent back into the intake before the turbo.Drag,rev hard,etc come with bov's that vent back into the atmosphere.The internal wastegate on the greddy releases the exaust back into the exhaust pipe so it still goes through the cat to get cleaned.The other kits don't route the wastegate back into the exhaust they just release into the atmosphere also.Both of those problems could easily be fixed but i'm not sure if they would allow that.Luckly i don't live in cali so i only have to do the emission testing and no visual inspection.
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94 civic coupe,b16a turbo.
12.42 @118mph...*sold*
New project, 93 cx/b18c built and boost *For Sale*
04 explorer xlt (daily driver).
I live in Bronx, NY. I've never paid any mind to a visual inspection of my engine. Does that apply in NY? Usually I just drop off the car and head to the gym.
Having a wastegate that dumps into the atmosphere is a definite no, no. But a BOV that dumps back into the intake doens't make sense. The whole point of the BOV is to relieve pressure between the compressor and the throttle body. Besides all it is doing is dumping fresh compressed air back into the atmosphere.
My understanding is that it costs a lot of money and takes a while to get a carb certification and so few companies bother.
It kills me that carb lets 12mpg Durangos guzzle and pollute away, but god forbid you put an intake on your car that doesn't have a little carb sticker on it.
Originally posted by neophyte Having a wastegate that dumps into the atmosphere is a definite no, no. But a BOV that dumps back into the intake doens't make sense. The whole point of the BOV is to relieve pressure between the compressor and the throttle body. Besides all it is doing is dumping fresh compressed air back into the atmosphere.
My understanding is that it costs a lot of money and takes a while to get a carb certification and so few companies bother.
It kills me that carb lets 12mpg Durangos guzzle and pollute away, but god forbid you put an intake on your car that doesn't have a little carb sticker on it.
The bov needs to be routed back to the intake in order for it to be legal.Before the turbo (as in after the filter but before turbo inlet) not into the charge pipe.Don't ask me why it cant be vented back into the atmosphere because all like you said it's only pressureized air.Anyways thats why stock turbo charged cars have it venting back into the intake and not to the atmosphere.
Btw durango's get 17mpg not 13
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94 civic coupe,b16a turbo.
12.42 @118mph...*sold*
New project, 93 cx/b18c built and boost *For Sale*
04 explorer xlt (daily driver).
anything dealing with emissions is a real bitch. the purpose of a BOV is to release pressure so air doesnt travel back into the turbo... i think the ones that redirect air back into the intake or manifold is called a bypass valve.
as for why the greddy is legal and the others arent, is also because greddy applied for the carb # which costs lots and lots of money. drag cant pass visual inspection with their kit anyway, but even if they could they wouldnt pay money to make it legal. afterall, ppl have to upgrade the fuel pump and wastegate cuz the ones that come with the drag kit lick balls from what i hear.
17 Highway / 12 City (with the V8), atleast according to carpoint
Well i average 17mpg on the freeway and about 14.5mpg city driving.The durango doesn't come with a v-6 so the only engines are the 4.7ltr and 5.9ltr v-8's..... and i have the gas guzzling 5.9ltr.Then again thats normal driving so when i'm having fun the average goes down considerable
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94 civic coupe,b16a turbo.
12.42 @118mph...*sold*
New project, 93 cx/b18c built and boost *For Sale*
04 explorer xlt (daily driver).
The only difference *I* know of is that Greddy paid lots of money to get a CARB certification on their part. I swear to God, how come Ford Expeditions and Chevy Suburbans are all good and legal, but you try and turbo a Honda 4 cylinder, and all of a sudden it's illegal...
CA has wonderful beaches, ladies, clubs, cars, and sights. One of the only things that sucks balls about the state is its set of smog laws. :
even tho the bov releases pressurized air from the turbo...it is exhaust...that air does have certain levels of NOx, hydrocarbons and other crap i'd rather not breathe.
the suv vs turbo honda thing still confuses me
ever see the EPA ratings on cars???
the chevy suburban rates a 0 on emissions on a scale from 0-10...10 being the highest(only 2 cars achieved this...so its like a superman figure)
most cars avg 7-8
turbo cars from factories actually are alot lower...but i'm guessing if a civic is an 8...a turbo may bring it to a 6 rating...without dumping crap into the atmostphere prematurely
so yea...its a screwed up game...but to make life easy you have to pay more money....greddy, jackson racing...apexi for their carb legal kits
in NY i believe we do have visual inspections. NY is modeling CA alot in its emissions laws.
hehe, I checked the EPA ratings for the suburbans, like you said I couldn't find anything about the *emissions* part (I believe you, it's true that if you put enough catalytic converters on something, it will make clean air, at the expense of still burning tons of gasoline)
Here's something funny from .thatpage though. 2000 Suburbans get... are you ready for this? **SIXTEEN** highway miles per gallon... the 4-cyl Accords get **THIRTY**. :
And one last thing, have you guys ever been in an argument with some domestic owner (maybe an SUV driver) that says "you should buy American, not an imported car." ? I have. And it's silly, because while certainly there are exceptions (e.g. Ford Focus), "American" cars like the Suburban increase our dependence on foreign oil SO much it's ridiculous. Suck it SUV's.
yea...its not even the car that bothers me so much...cause at the heart a suburban is meant to do real work...not to pick up billy from soccer practice
thats what minivans are for...and actually...are very good at doing
if i had to choose a family suv or minivan...minivan all the way...they corner better and use less gas...much easier to get in and out
i have a windstar in the household...not a bad vehicle
anyway...it just bothers me the drivers of these burbs that use it so they can put 22's on it...or just carry and extra hoe
instead of towing a boat....
I've seen about 4 or 5 of those monster Excuressions, you know the only that are at the legal lane size limit and every single one was driven by a woman who could barely see over the dash. I told a girl I know about this and she told me thats its because they feel safe in a big vechicle. I say if you want to feel safe put in a rollcage
Atleast some SUVs serve a purpose on a farm or what not, but what kills me is the ones built on a car frame so they handle like a car. If you want something that handles like a car BUY a car. With vehicle like the CRV you get about a tenth of the cargo space and power of a full size SUV, and the chunky body stylings with a drag coefficent of .98
Sorry for the rant but I lived in the burbs where adults had to show everyone how cool there were with a big ass suv. The whole thing seems juvenile to me.
Originally posted by stillstock yea...its not even the car that bothers me so much...cause at the heart a suburban is meant to do real work...not to pick up billy from soccer practice
thats what minivans are for...and actually...are very good at doing
if i had to choose a family suv or minivan...minivan all the way...they corner better and use less gas...much easier to get in and out
i have a windstar in the household...not a bad vehicle
anyway...it just bothers me the drivers of these burbs that use it so they can put 22's on it...or just carry and extra hoe
instead of towing a boat....
bastards
I feel the same way man.Less then one month after i got my durango i took it off-roading (the real kind with big holes,snow,narrow trails,getting stuck,etc) and everybody was like it's to new to that with : you know i bought it to hual my family,tow my boat,haul my crap,go camping,and to have fun not to pick up timmy for soccer practice and sweat when i drive own a dirt road.Even the people that i went 4x ing with thought the same thing (i didn't know a few of the people) because they all drove old jeeps and chevy's.
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94 civic coupe,b16a turbo.
12.42 @118mph...*sold*
New project, 93 cx/b18c built and boost *For Sale*
04 explorer xlt (daily driver).
I feel the same way man.Less then one month after i got my durango i took it off-roading (the real kind with big holes,snow,narrow trails,getting stuck,etc) and everybody was like it's to new to that with :
Ya why is that? Why do people buy these huge trucks designed to go off road and then baby them like they have a tuned porsche suspension? I once saw a guy crawl over a quarter height curb in a GMC full size pick up.
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: you know i bought it to hual my family,tow my boat,haul my crap,go camping,and to have fun not to pick up timmy for soccer practice and sweat when i drive own a dirt road.Even the people that i went 4x ing with thought the same thing (i didn't know a few of the people) because they all drove old jeeps and chevy's.
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