whats your input?

[ottoman213]

have 1993 honda accord ex 2.2l i4. my timing belt blew and bent a valve i bought a resurfaced head on e-bay for 200. w/ new valves guides new gaskets everything it took my mechanic 6 days to do the swap i got it back today and i will say it runs better than it did when it was doing the three piston shuffle. but when i first start it and now mind you i dont even have 10 miles on it yet but when i first start it up the distributer or steering pump squeels like a pig the motor feels ruff is that normal? does it need to break in? i have to drive 20 miles to school tommorrow should i . the only difference between the new head i put on and the old one is theres two bolt holes where the coil wire connects the new head only has one hole to bolt it down but its secure bye the way the head i bought was a f22a sohc

[StillAHondaFrea]

something is definately not right, most likely a loose accessory belt. I wouldn't reccomend driving it too far untill you find the source of the squeal, probably nothing major, but I wouldn't risk risk it if it were my car and I had another way to school...

just my 2 cents,

Good luck!
Tim

[ottoman213]

im sure the belts arent loose infact there pretty tight someone mentioned the idle air control sensor maybe got carbonated up running on three cylinders and now all of a sudden its able to run on all4 do to the new head work.. im actually at my wits end no body on this or forum or honda tech even know anything to even reply so right now i know someone with a two door version of what i have know wants 700. for it it only needs either a speed sensor or someone worked on the car and diddnt hook up the sport button on the shifter correctly so i might get that and use what i got as a closet of all new spare parts but thank you Stillahondafreak, at least you put in two. ps; just for you ...go to freak racing .com i got stickers from them that say, honda freak, and freak racing,its a motorcross site but the free stickers look sick on my getto honda. i think u will like

[StillAHondaFrea]

No problem man, I know how tough it can be to find a hiding gremlin Just look at the positive side, at least it's your car, and you dont have some asshole customer breathing down your neck "well? what is it?" I don't know jaskass, if you wanna give me a minute to look at and leave be the F#*K alone, Maybe I'll be able to find it!!!

Any way, you said you thought it may be the idle air control valve; (I seriously doubt it, that would just cause a rough idle and shitty gas mileage) so before you go out and buy a new one, you should try to clean up the one you have, its only got 2 bolts holding it on, and a wire connector plugged into it. I know for a fact its on the back of the intake manifold just to the right of the throttle body on my civic, haven't had an accord for a while, but my best friend has one, a 93 2 door. I'll go see him at some point tomorrow and I'll take a quick peek at his. When he first bought it, I put $1200 worth of parts at our cost on it for him, thats almost $4K retail, and we just traded out labor for pizzas and $20 or $40 bucks here and there, lol.

Good luck man,
Hope you find that gremlin!

Tim

[StillAHondaFrea]

Oh, when you get it off, just clean it up with some throttle body/ carb cleaner, and make sure you stop by honda and get a new gasket first.

Good luck man,
Hope you find that gremlin!

Tim

[ottoman213]

i know what you meen my dad works for carquest hes a manager there so i get my parts at his cost also like autozone wanted 169. for a readyrad radiator my dads cost for the same part was 75.00 so i know the difference between retail and cost my mistake was the machanic i chose to replace the head im still finding stuff he forgot to tighten down.oil dipstick fastener my accessery belt pully that the pwr steering and alt belt litterelly fell off because he did not tighten it,also there was a bolt on my water pump finger loose he f@#ckD it all up if i wasnt so cheap and had him do it on the side i could bring it ti where he actually works and make him fix it but because it was a side job i dont have a wheel to ride on thank you for replying so far your the only one willing to give me any feed back

[StillAHondaFrea]

Originally Posted by ottoman213

he f@#ckD it all up if i wasnt so cheap and had him do it on the side i could bring it ti where he actually works and make him fix it but because it was a side job i dont have a wheel to ride on

Man F#$K that!!!! You payed him your hard earned money to fix it, and thats what he needs to do, if he's giving you a hard time, rough him up a lil bit, or get someone bigger than you to do it lol seriously, I warranty all my side work, if hes any kind of a technician, or any kind of a man, he'll make it right, Head gasket jobs aren't cheap, so weither or not he gave you "the hook up" he should make it right.

Lemme know how it goes when you confront him.

good luck,
Tim

[ottoman213]

i had to confront him once alraedy when my origional probalem occurred my timming belt broke and bent valve i brought it to him he said there was no valve damage threw a new timming belt and component set and when it started dancing the three piston shuffle he swore it was a tune up. so first after a week with no car then he calls me up saying your car is all set to when i got there he told me what i had just mentioned at first it didnt look that bad untill i put it in drive i got halfway home and i was already cursing myself for even taking like it was so i get it to my house i calls him up convinced him its not a tune up it was a bent exhaust valve fouling the plugg on the number four cylinder.he said oh just bring it in in the morn next morn go to start car and one of the bolts on the starter loosened up so when i started it the starter kicked out sideways breaking the casting on the starter. so needless to say i was heated i called him up he made arrangements everday time come by my house and get it to the garage he blew me off 3 out of five times he said he was going to show up so i ended up paying extra for another tow and beleive me when i got there i made sure i wasnt happy i asked him if he ever heard or did a compression check, i told him you cant time a car if its only running on three cyl. that i know anyway all thats what leeded me to have him do the whole head he gave me a sob story how he didnt make no money off the jobs becuase his boss was crooked and so on so i agreed to let him continue work on the car and he did it for 200. bucks i got a hold of him yesterday told him what was going on he kissed my ass told me he would straighten it out but if ya been reading what i whent throught alreay with this guy. ,pus i just started school last week im taking auto service technition.and its about 28 miles from where i live. not only that but just because i go to school to work on cars doesnt meen i have time to work on my own myself all the time so i got what i paid for iguess and if he dont make ood on his work i can always pay someone else who will do the job right the firsttime instead of wasting my time thats what this guy did most wasted my time. so im afraid if i do decide to get ugly one i would be sure that he would definately oy be willing to touch my car at all again in wich to me would be fine,two i would most likely get in trouble with the law especialy in this city.at prob.mess up my goals with school if i get arrested and miss school because of it. but i got what your saying he should fix it i wont get rough but hes going to know hes not getting another dime from me i dont care if hes working for pep boys and i decide to bring my car there for an oil change i'll make sure someone else other than him does it,. thank you though for the concern i will kee posting i my self woul lke to see this thread end with a happily running car

[ottoman213]

sry didnt realize how long my last post was

[StillAHondaFrea]

it's cool man

[ottoman213]

i checked my timming yesterday at my school it seemed a little advanced. so i loosened up the distributer and adjusted it the best i could from what i can tell its 'dead on",however i think a spark plugg wire might be bad it seems to be a skip in the motor i visually checked all wires and sesors but could not locat my 02, or manifold air temp sensor i on my other accorrds the o2 is usually in the font of the minifold flange usually sticking through the heat sheild I removed heat sheild looked around no sensor i can find. any one out there got any ideas for me please? also when i drive in the city runs sweet but when i get on the highway it feels like i have an exaust leak and as soon as i get around 60 mph it feels like the horsepower is being robbed it does noy want to go past 60 mph for some reason tranny shifts and does not slip. i rechecked the torque on headers looked at flanges all seem to be tight also when i go to school is when i use the highway i usually leave around 4:00 when its warm out but on my way home around 9:30 when its much cooler car run alot smoother so i left the heat sheild off for now

[StillAHondaFrea]

Hey man, sorry I haven't been keeping up with ya, Moved out of the hotel Friday Morn/ Afternoon. Mother in law kept us in friggin Wal Mart till almost 1130 and didn't get on the interstate till 1230 am, 4 hours of darkness wasted! lol anyway, finally got mom's wireless figured out so I'm back in business!

As far as your worries, I would go ahead and do a "tune up" NGK plugs, NGK wires, Honda Cap and Rotor, and for gods sake, please please set your timing with a light, it's sooooo easy to do, and, you can rent one from autozone if you don't have one...

try that out and we'll go from there, as far as your o2 sensor... I'll run out to my gma's house sometime in the near future and get all of my manuals just to be exact, but if i remember correctly, its AFTER the cat, hope this helps...


Tim

[ottoman213]

no prob. i did check the timing with a light i go to school full time at nights for automotive service tech so i have access to very good timming lights /snap-on, we also have a 50% discount on all snap-on tools wich is cool, but yea i checked the timming at first i was standing over the service hole and the timming indicator or "blue dot" seemed just above the mark so i broke the dist. free and turned it back towards the firewall,as far as it could go then when i kind of bent a knee to look in there eyeball level it looked dead on and even if it wasnt there was no more room to turn the dist back anymore. someone just Gave me a OBX type - R presision adjustable cam sprocket the thing looks so cool its got three bolts to adjust the timming on the cam he said it might make my car a little better by evening the bottom end with the top end.the only problem im going to have with that is putting the tiiming belt cover back on then i wont be able to show it off but for all i know about the mechanic i used he could have thrown the old plugs i was usind on three cylinders back in probably hoping if he switched them around i wouldnt be able to tell. i know i gave him extra money because i specificaly told him all i use for oil is royal purple.and around here its 9.50 a quart and i pulled my dip stick completely out yesterday checking it there was no bolt fastening it back to the block.and my oil does not look cleen it does not look purple it doesnt even look changed.i have a feeling instead of changing it he added a quart pocketed the rest of the money. its funny because the other day he saw me tinkering around with it he asked me if it was still giving me problems then he offered to take a look at it i told him "you can take a look all you want i am not paying you another dime, i told him if i was stuck on the side of the road and all i neede was a jump and it was the middle of february id rather walk or call a tow truck before i give him five dollars for a jump. all of a sudden today he came and gave me that cam sprocket i mentioned.he asked me if i wanted him to put it in i took it from him then i told him i was going to have my shop mates help me put it in because thats what we do in school ,mostly work on our own cars. ill tell ya his face turnt beet red i almost couldnt help but laugh in it but thats not what im about. well thats about all ya missed. glad to here you safely made it to fl. as far as the o2 sensor i have a chiltons around here somewhere so you dont need to go digging through boxes i was just baffled the other day im so used to seeing them ,the o2 sensor, in the front of manufold but not mine. let me know what you think on uying that second car do you think it would be worth it to me or do you think that moey would be beter spent fixing what i got? i just dont know the extent of my problems.all i know is like you said its definately a gremlin

[ottoman213]

do you know anything about afermarket cam sprockets? my friend had two OBX-TYPE-R HIGH PERFORMANCE PRECISION ADJUSTABLE RACING CAM SPROCKETS, all he said was there for hondas or they fit hondas.so im gueessing that if its the same size and fits or installs the same it must be compatable? its a really nice piece i would hate to find out that i cant use it i looked on e-bay and just about all the sprockets i seen had instuction notices for for sohc apps. and dohc apps. but because he had two,both in there own seperate box, i think the origional buyer intended them for a v-tech engine but i only have a sohc and i cant find this exact model online ther is a parts numger on the side its three perperate boxes first says AMG,then BX-602 and the last part say silver theAMG stands for advance manufacturing group the bx - 602 has to be the part number and of course its polished silver or rathert6061 t6 aluminum and has adjustable +/-10 degrees[advance/retard] and advance 5 point locking design.if any of that info helps. i just want to be sure before i put this on or i take my timming belt off and find out that its incompatable or i get it in. and oh shit what did i do?