Original Letter to B&M Racing
B&M did call me back after I sent this letter to them. A guy named Frank got in touch with me and indicated that they were contacting the vendor (that makes the fluid for them) and would give me some of the information I requested. The problem is that he also indicated that to me that some of the information would not be made public. Of course I've got a problem with that as all other manufacturers (except Honda) will provide you with the ATF's chemical properties.
Here is the original message:
B&M Racing & Performance Products LLC
9142 Independence Ave
Chatsworth, CA 91311
Fax (818) 882-6694
ATTENTION: Technical Support
Re: B&M Synthetic Trick Shift ATF
Dear Sirs,
I’ve left a few messages on your technical support voicemail, and I’ve got a feeling they may be being disregarded. As a result, I’m sending you this fax message and will follow it up in postal mail.
I’ve got a 1998 Honda Prelude with a Sequential Sportshift automatic transmission. It was suggested to me that I try B&M Synthetic Trick Shift ATF as an alternative to Honda’s propiertiary Dexron III ATF.
There is not doubt that your fluid works well in the Prelude’s automatic transmission. It decreases operating temperature slightly, while improving shift quality slightly as well.
However, I do have a concern after sending the fluid to a laboratory and seeing the results.
The laboratory results indicate that your “synthetic” ATF may actually be a hydrocracked / hydrotreated petroleum base stock fluid. That is to say that your fluid may be a very clean standard ATF fluid and not a hydrocarbon engineered from “scratch” in a chemical process to create a completely different chemical.
There are two reasons I’m lead to believe this:
First, the lab results from the analysis of your “Synthetic Trick Shift” product indicate a flash point of 345 degrees F. This is very low for compared to any other synthetic ATF on the market. Mobil 1, AMSOIL, and Redline all have flash points that are 75 degrees F or higher than Synthetic Trick Shift.
Second, the pour point of your ATF appears to be much higher than any of the other fluids listed in the previous paragraph. This affects the primary reason that I purchased your product: cold shift ability. If the ATF thickens during exposure to cold climate, this will affect the shift quality of the transmission and will have an impact on proper lubrication of the units parts.
I would like further information on B&M’s “synthetic” ATF. I’m wondering if you would be kind enough to send me the standard chemical properties that are normally given for ATF’s by manufacturers: Specific Gravity, Pour Point ° C (°F), Flash Point, ASTM D 92 °C(°F), Viscosity Index, Viscosity cP @ -40C & cSt @ 100C.
It is possible that my lab results are off and I’d like to find out what the chemical properties of your synthetic ATF are in order to determine if it’s the best product for my car.
My concern is that your ATF is actually a marketed as a synthetic fluid due to a legal loop hole when it is not actually a true non-petroleum base synthetic product.
Gerhard Bartsch
[Update 10/3/02: B&M Indicates that they are still trying to get the information from their manufaturer... so I'll have to wait a little longer. It's odd that it's taking this long though...]
B&M did call me back after I sent this letter to them. A guy named Frank got in touch with me and indicated that they were contacting the vendor (that makes the fluid for them) and would give me some of the information I requested. The problem is that he also indicated that to me that some of the information would not be made public. Of course I've got a problem with that as all other manufacturers (except Honda) will provide you with the ATF's chemical properties.
Here is the original message:
B&M Racing & Performance Products LLC
9142 Independence Ave
Chatsworth, CA 91311
Fax (818) 882-6694
ATTENTION: Technical Support
Re: B&M Synthetic Trick Shift ATF
Dear Sirs,
I’ve left a few messages on your technical support voicemail, and I’ve got a feeling they may be being disregarded. As a result, I’m sending you this fax message and will follow it up in postal mail.
I’ve got a 1998 Honda Prelude with a Sequential Sportshift automatic transmission. It was suggested to me that I try B&M Synthetic Trick Shift ATF as an alternative to Honda’s propiertiary Dexron III ATF.
There is not doubt that your fluid works well in the Prelude’s automatic transmission. It decreases operating temperature slightly, while improving shift quality slightly as well.
However, I do have a concern after sending the fluid to a laboratory and seeing the results.
The laboratory results indicate that your “synthetic” ATF may actually be a hydrocracked / hydrotreated petroleum base stock fluid. That is to say that your fluid may be a very clean standard ATF fluid and not a hydrocarbon engineered from “scratch” in a chemical process to create a completely different chemical.
There are two reasons I’m lead to believe this:
First, the lab results from the analysis of your “Synthetic Trick Shift” product indicate a flash point of 345 degrees F. This is very low for compared to any other synthetic ATF on the market. Mobil 1, AMSOIL, and Redline all have flash points that are 75 degrees F or higher than Synthetic Trick Shift.
Second, the pour point of your ATF appears to be much higher than any of the other fluids listed in the previous paragraph. This affects the primary reason that I purchased your product: cold shift ability. If the ATF thickens during exposure to cold climate, this will affect the shift quality of the transmission and will have an impact on proper lubrication of the units parts.
I would like further information on B&M’s “synthetic” ATF. I’m wondering if you would be kind enough to send me the standard chemical properties that are normally given for ATF’s by manufacturers: Specific Gravity, Pour Point ° C (°F), Flash Point, ASTM D 92 °C(°F), Viscosity Index, Viscosity cP @ -40C & cSt @ 100C.
It is possible that my lab results are off and I’d like to find out what the chemical properties of your synthetic ATF are in order to determine if it’s the best product for my car.
My concern is that your ATF is actually a marketed as a synthetic fluid due to a legal loop hole when it is not actually a true non-petroleum base synthetic product.
Gerhard Bartsch
[Update 10/3/02: B&M Indicates that they are still trying to get the information from their manufaturer... so I'll have to wait a little longer. It's odd that it's taking this long though...]