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pssst! said:
Bad News :

Sometime late this year or 2004 Cali will be Advanced(smog2) all around the state.

Advance smogs test for the emissions of the gas NOx and to check this gas properly you must test on dyno.

what are you talking about they already test that......btw i think they should sticky this information:



Overview
Engine changes continue to present problems and challenges to car owners and technicians. Here are some tips to keep you and your customers on the straight and narrow.

Our recommendation is to rebuild and reinstall the original engine, transmission, and emission control configuration.

When rebuilding an engine, it must be rebuilt to the original equipment specifications. However, if you do decide to change the engine, these guidelines must be observed to ensure that the vehicle will be eligible for smog certification or registration.

Remember, these are guidelines for performing engine changes -- not certification procedures. All exhaust emission controlled vehicles with engine changes must be inspected by an official referee station and must have a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Vehicle Identification Label affixed to the doorpost.

Remember also, state and federal anti-tampering laws generally prohibit any modification to the vehicle's original emission control system configuration as certified by the manufacturer. And, Section 3362.1 of the California Code of Regulations prohibits any engine change that degrades the effectiveness of a vehicle's emission control system.

California Certification
A federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) certified (federal or 49-state) engine cannot be used in a vehicle that was originally certified for California.

Certification Standards
Make sure the engine and emission control configuration on exhaust - controlled vehicles are certified to the year of the vehicle or newer, and to the same or a more stringent new vehicle certification standard.

Classification
Don't mix engine and vehicle classifications which will degrade the emissions certification standards. For example, a heavy-duty engine cannot be installed in a light-duty exhaust-controlled chassis even if they have the same displacement. Non-emissions controlled power plants such as industrial or off-road-use-only engines may not be placed in any exhaust-controlled vehicle.

Computer Controls
If a computer-controlled engine is installed in a non-computerized vehicle, the "CHECK ENGINE" light, the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) diagnostic link, and all sensors, switches, and wiring harnesses needed to make the system fully functional must also be installed.

Emission Control Configuration
Mixing and matching emission control system components could cause problems and is generally not allowed. Engine and emission control systems must be in an engine-chassis configuration certified by the California Air Resources Board (ARB) or U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The engine must meet or exceed the requirements for the year and class of vehicle in which it is installed.

Emission Warranty
Voiding the vehicle manufacturer's emission warranty is not allowed.

Engine Modifications
No internal or external engine modifications (cams, pistons, intakes, etc.) may be performed unless the parts are ARB-exempted or EPA-certified for use in the installed engine. Use the database on this site to search for aftermarket parts covered by ARB Executive Orders.

Original Equipment
The installed engine and host chassis must retain all of their original emission control equipment. Diesel-to-gasoline conversions must have all gasoline engine and chassis emission control systems installed (such as fillpipe restrictor, catalytic converter and evaporative emission system).

Smog Inspection
These vehicles must pass a complete smog inspection (visual, functional, and tailpipe).




that is the california BAR engine change guidelines
 

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Tanabe_Luder said:
Hey im not from california. just here to express my views.

I personally think that smog test is gay, its the goverment's way of trying to save the eviroment, which is nonsense. Look at Florida. They have no Cats on there cars. In Japan its the same. Besides the fact that they have 104 octane ;). If im not wrong, soon enough if you live in Kali. YOu better drive a battery power car, LOL.

I feel bad for the import fans out in kali. 5-0 hating

i agree....however their 104 octane is not equivalent to our 104 octane, they calculate it different
 

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SuperSleeper said:
Its bad enough for it to be the ONLY reason that I'm moving out of the state. I have ALL of my family here in SoCal, I like my job and I love the weather, I just HATE the politics/laws here. But thats just my opinion...:D

yeah but running away from it wont solve the problem....remember there are laws EVERYWHERE you go
 

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Tanabe_Luder said:
your right there is laws everywhere you go. But then again, I wouldn't live in an area like kali. I live in ny. and yes there is smog test. But cops will NOT stop you and check for smog test. I have a friend wit a type S rsx, and an Si with NO cat, and they both has never been stop, and laws here arent changing like every day. I think NY could care less about that, while out there, there is homelss people, and worst cases, that they should be focusing on. Like the War.

Rather then someone's car. :rolleyes:

If I was living in Kali, and my hobby is cars. I would get my A$$ out of that state and move to another.

DONT LET PEOPLE TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE.

i think the thing you are forgetting is that those roadside checks are OPTIONAL while they will try to muscle you into it, it is YOUR LEGAL RIGHT to say no and they cant do shit about it
 

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kinghawk said:
wooo wooo my sticky thread worked. Thanks to all of you.... THis thread will help many others pondering about the damn Cali smog laws we deam rediculous.

i am here to answer all smog questions my children

:let us pray to the smog god:
 

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kinghawk said:
ok a general question which Im sure is answered in the summary you stated above....... If I was to swap a b16a yes jdm engine in say a 94 civic..... what are the smog laws restricting or what things must I do to make it legal ( Im sure a visit to the ref would make it final) but what things would need to be changed on the engine and what not to make things legit

well you would need the proper computer system for your year vehicle IE OBD 1/2 and make sure you have all of the emissions devices for that year motor.......now JDM motors according to the BAR and the CARB are automatic fail HOWEVER there are some that pass so this leads me to believe that it is on a CASE TO CASE BASIS


*edit*: a first gen B16a would never pass because we never had the motor in that year, unless you upgrade it to OBD-1
 

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kinghawk said:
ok heres another scenerio that I just remembered. My brothers friend has a 94 hatch civic with a usdm 95 integra gsr engine in it. What are the smog issues with it.

in california (assuming he lives here because thats where you live) the only way for him to pass inspection is for him to take it to the referee and get the engine smog certified, right now he is classified as a "gross polluter" because his emissions (for the previous motor) are what he should be emitting, and with the new motor he is emitting a whole lot more then that.......after going through the referee process you get a sticker like this





that sticker says you can take your car anywhere to get it LEGALLY smogged.....without that you will have to do an illegal smog.......passing the referee isnt that hard.......i have done it with my car, while it can be a headache depending on what you used it is, in the long run, a beautiful thing to say you have a california SMOG legal swap
 

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UltraMagneticAL said:
man, i want a sticker like that! uhmm...what does the referee do? cuz i got skunk2 internals w/ stage2 cams....you think that will pass?


the referee will just do a normal smog inspection but they are the only ones who are "certified" to authorize that passing, basically they will ensure that the motor is USDM (JDM will pass on a case to case basis) motor that is from the same duty car (IE a CRV motor in a civic WILL NOT PASS, EVER) they will then check the emissions system and make sure all components for the engine that you have swapped into your car are in place, they will make sure the wiring system is the one it should be (IE OBD 0-2), and then they will alter the data in the system so when they scan the barcode it will come up as X car with Y motor installed and they will change the weight of the vehicle in the system so it should match the numbers more accurately, they will also check to make sure the vacume diagram on your hood matches the engine that you have in your engine bay so either get that sticker from honda or bring the printout from the helms manual, some places will go over the vehicle with a fine toothed comb (these fuckers said my timing connector plug was blue not grey) if you fail the first time, never fear because the second test is free (best $38.50 i ever spent), if you fail the first time it is good to know a guy who does smog so he can do pre-tests for you while you swap parts until you pass, if you do that bring the pre-test print outs with you and that will help speed things along........and as for your situation AL....what i would do is get yourself a V-AFC (hide it, so if you take it to the REF they dont say anything, if they saw it and knew what it did, it would fail) and do some pre-tests, try to lean it out until it passes
 

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UltraMagneticAL said:
well we'll see when i run my car on the smog machine today *crossing fingers*

yeah d00d, do an assload of pre-tests and get it running perfectly, thats what we did with mine, pre-test if it fail change something, repeat until it passed and when it passed, it passed like an SULEV civic
 

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kinghawk said:
Meaning "they" meaning the smog techs test for the 5 major pollutants rather than the 4 they usually test for.

here is what they test for in sacramento

HC
NOx
Co2

they test a couple other things as well but those things are the ones that matter
 

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UltraMagneticAL said:
check this out...someone stole one of my license plates so i went to go fill out this one form at the dmv...there's a section on there that says you can get a placard if you run ULEV or SULEV to run in "high occupancy vehicle (hov) lanes". i think that means if you have ulev or sulev and you get a placard from the dmv, you can drive in carpool lanes legally!!!! buahahaha can someone verify this? hehee
you are correct sir, i kno especially that in the bay area they have that option in their carpool lanes, sounds like that is right up your alley
 

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UltraMagneticAL said:
it would be nice if my car still had that ulev f23 buhahah but no more. i'm pushin this h22 w/ stage2 cams etc etc oh mannnn...hahaha maybe i can tell the dmv i still have an f23 and blah buhahaha
well in there eyes right now you still do, unless you get it BAR certified its still an F23 to them
 

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crxtunerfan said:
ok cali smog...heres the deal...

only until about 10 years ago, the smog here in socal was so bad you can actually SEE IT. it still gets that way once in awhile during the summer. its a brown haze and its easily noticeable. the smog tests and cali emissions requirements got alot tougher in the last few years (for automakers) and beacuse of that, we now have breathable air almost all year round. in fact, its so clean now that alot of folks dont even remember how bad it was.

anyway, now that its cleaned up, it seems that all this smog crap is just BS and well, to an extent it is, especially when you have clean burning vehicles failing because they dont have CARB approved parts, but just wanted you all to know why we have such tough smog laws here.

as far as it being a huge burden for import enthusiasts here, thats not so. there are plenty of CARB approved parts out there to keep us happy AND legal (greddy turbo kits, dc sport headers, aem intakes, skunk2 cams, etc. etc. just to name a few) if acompany wants to make a part CARB legal, all they need to do is have it tested by the CARB and design it so it doesnt INCREASE a car's dirty emissions. it cost a few thousand dollars i heard, but its not out of most manufacturer's budgets.

peace


:nod: couldnt have out it better myself
 
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