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Honda to sue over China ruling on CR-V patent

5:55 AM ET Mar 21, 2006


BEIJING (MarketWatch) -- Honda Motor Co. (7267.TO) said Tuesday it will file a lawsuit over the Chinese government's ruling that its patent for the external design of its CR-V sports utility vehicle was invalid.
Honda Motor said it hopes to maintain the patent, according to a statement issued by Honda Motor (China) Investment Co., the Japanese auto maker's China unit.

China's State Intellectual Property Office revoked the patent on March 7, the statement said.
"Honda expresses great regret over this decision."
Honda said in Tuesday's statement SIPO gave it a 10-year patent on the design of the CR-V in 2002.
The planned lawsuit follows two suits by Honda claiming patent infringements on the CR-V by Chinese auto makers in recent years.

In October 2004, the company filed a suit claiming Xinkai Automobile Group Corp. copied the exterior design of the CR-V. Later that year, Honda said it was considering taking similar steps against nine others.
In autumn 2003, Honda filed a suit against Shijiazhuang Shuanghuan Automobile Co., which is based in northern China's Hebei province, over similarities between a model produced by the Chinese company and the CR-V.
A public relations officer at Honda Motor (China) Investment Co. said the lawsuit will be filed against SIPO's patent review committee within three-and-a-half months of the March 7 ruling.

An official at SIPO's patent review committee said she hadn't heard of Honda Motor's lawsuit plan. She added that SIPO's ruling on the CR-V patent will become effective three months after Honda received a document on the ruling.

Dongfeng Honda Automobile (Wuhan) Co., Honda's 50-50 joint venture with China's state-owned Dongfeng Motor Group., began producing CR-Vs in April 2004.

Sales of CR-Vs in China totaled 26,244 units last year, more than double that of the previous year, Dongfeng Honda Deputy President Liu Hong said Monday.

Intellectual-property wars are increasing between global and Chinese automakers as competition in the local industry gears up. More automakers are suing their Chinese rivals for copying designs, logos, or for selling fake auto parts packaged to look authentic.

General Motors Corp. (GM) dropped a legal suit against China's Chery Automobile Co. in November. The U.S. auto giant had accused Chery of copying the design of its Spark minicar for its Chery QQ.

In late 2003, Toyota Motor Corp. (TM) lost a lawsuit against Chinese automaker Geely Holding Group, whose logo on one of its cars was similar to the Japanese company's. A Beijing court rejected Toyota's lawsuit, saying the logos "won't cause confusion."

-Edited by David Riordan
 

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reading the verdicts at the end of the article seems like the chinesse government is heping these companies with the copies. its one thing to copy a design, but to copy a LOGO?!?! come on.

Of course the Chinese government is helping them with the copies. They have an unsustainable economic system and they can only stay in power as long as people are doing something other than thinking about how much it sucks. How do they bring more money into the economy? Easy, copy something somebody else did.
 

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Of course the govt. is either helping or at least turning a blind eye to what goes on. They're a totalitarian government and have the ability to control vast portions of their society beyond what we experience here in the US.

BTW: As an aside: Can anybody think of a single chinese commercial logo? I mean the symbols for such companies in the US like: Ford, GM, Coca-Cola, GE, Mcdonalds, etc. are well known. Ditto for a multitude of Japanese companies (Sony, Canon, Toyota, Sanyo, etc.). But other then Costco the shipping enterprise I can't really think of one. Is the film company "Golden Harvest"? but then again I guess they're a HK company, and not a mainland Chinese company.
 

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china is getting pretty out of hand lately. if it's not auto's it's electronics; if it's not hardware it's software; if it's not music it's movies... i mean come the f_ck on people.

the gov't is completely jacked for doing nothing about it as well..for being such an old culture, they sure have a retarded outlook...
 

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don't be so quick to judge other cultures like that. traditionally speaking, the chinese view is that intellectual property belongs to the people, not just to the person who designed/built/created it. a painter who creates a wonderous painting does it to enhance the lives of the people in his community, not so he can sell it for profit. this viewpoint was only enhanced further by the communist government, which, quite naturally, is going to do everything it can to protect its own enterprises.
 

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don't be so quick to judge other cultures like that. traditionally speaking, the chinese view is that intellectual property belongs to the people, not just to the person who designed/built/created it. a painter who creates a wonderous painting does it to enhance the lives of the people in his community, not so he can sell it for profit. this viewpoint was only enhanced further by the communist government, which, quite naturally, is going to do everything it can to protect its own enterprises.
normally, the painter gets a really small profit but the one who get most of the profit is the merchants...w/ that being said, at this point in time, the chinese goverment is still in charge of most businesses, so they are just protecting themselves rather than "the people"...
 

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that one civic said:
don't be so quick to judge other cultures like that. traditionally speaking, the chinese view is that intellectual property belongs to the people, not just to the person who designed/built/created it. a painter who creates a wonderous painting does it to enhance the lives of the people in his community, not so he can sell it for profit. this viewpoint was only enhanced further by the communist government, which, quite naturally, is going to do everything it can to protect its own enterprises.

businesses bringing $$$ into china by moving factories over there and giving their economy a boost are getting stabbed in the back by having their product names and logos slapped on inferior products. thus ripping off consumers and the businesses.

just a little stat from the US customs dept:
China is responsible for 66% of all counterfeit products seized by Customs Agents las year.

you want to make a point to me, tell me why china has no [real] enterprises of it's own to protect?
 

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the gov't is completely jacked for doing nothing about it as well..for being such an old culture, they sure have a retarded outlook...
he probably quoted you on this phrase right here...otherwise, i agreed w/ you over the fact that china is in the lead of counterfeit products...
 

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Eh, I am a bit disgusted by what China is doing. You cant satisfy that country and there demented outlook on life. You make a good car and it gets copied, what a insult to Honda or any other company. Sure you could see it in a positive light, saying it's such a good design that everyone wants to copy it but thats beside the point. And the Chinese Govt. is so two faced it should be shot in the face. ARGHH!!
 

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Eh, I am a bit disgusted by what China is doing. You cant satisfy that country and there demented outlook on life. You make a good car and it gets copied, what a insult to Honda or any other company. Sure you could see it in a positive light, saying it's such a good design that everyone wants to copy it but thats beside the point. And the Chinese Govt. is so two faced it should be shot in the face. ARGHH!!
OT...you should live under control of a communist goverment and you'll learn more... :p
 

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You gotta love the Chinese economy - really cheap exploited labor, no real environmental laws, and no R&D since everything is a knock off. You'd think that with all those people, they have some original ideas, but it's still easier to copy what someone else worked hard to make.

They are going though thier economic/industrial/military-build-up boom and the gov is gonna do what ever it takes to keep it going. It's too bad the US and other countries can't just stop dealing with em, but it's hard to ignore such a growing market and cheap manufacturing. Shit, Walmart would go under if it werent for cheap asian manufacturing and cheap immigrant labor. :rolleyes
 

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ahh the power of cheap labor... well.. no R&D = save some money. why begin from zero when u can improve other ppl innovation. wait2.. dat sound like japanese long time ago.
 

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^ True, expect I don't recall the Japanese government adding and abetting the the circumnavigation of: patents, copyrights, intellectual properties, etc.

Protective tariffs, favorable govenment subsidization, etc. is all fair; but this situation and others like it are a little different in nature. :(
 

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^ True, expect I don't recall the Japanese government adding and abetting the the circumnavigation of: patents, copyrights, intellectual properties, etc.

Protective tariffs, favorable govenment subsidization, etc. is all fair; but this situation and others like it are a little different in nature. :(

Well, its not fair in the open and free markets sense of the term, but it is generally accepted as a reasonable practice for developing and even developed economies to protect their citizens.

And what the Chinese are doing is completely out of line. They arent even attempting to improve upon other peoples ideas, they're just copying them. Thats it.
 

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Well, its not fair in the open and free markets sense of the term, but it is generally accepted as a reasonable practice for developing and even developed economies to protect their citizens.

And what the Chinese are doing is completely out of line. They arent even attempting to improve upon other peoples ideas, they're just copying them. Thats it.
i guess they dont care about this kind of thing. if chinese care about patent they must have done it long2 time ago. like compas gun powder paper.. etc2 or medicine etc2.. remember were talking about one of the oldest civilization.

i was wonder what if there were no copyright or patent. is that mean there are more inventions/ or innovation that is improvement of someting? because ppl dont have to pay this ask permission that. so they have to strive on other things like cost, how well they sell stuff? etc2. ppl become more creative? for the longest time chinese, indian and arabian trader they were THE ppl who really go places..hm... me watching too much history channel and dicscovery channel..
 

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Let the buyer beware....

People need to understand and learn that even though it may look like a CR-V on the outside, it's pure shit on the inside. Safety is thrown out the window, they probably build these cars to pass the bare minimum of the safety laws in china (if there even ARE safety laws in china). Engine-life, reliability, everything, is garbage. It's not even a question that the buyers are "deceived" and believe they are buying a genuine Honda. They know what they are getting is a rip off and is cheap. This relates to all products that are China counterfeits. Even DVD's, people can TELL if its fake. Sure, some are good copies, but the fact is if you buy it in the flea market or on a train platform, its probably fake. Places like Best Buy don't sell fakes.
 
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