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the dealer told me that the $500 upgrade is not worth it. he said there is little notiseable different. i want to hear it from you guys who have turbo on there cars. should i use the money to get apex AVC-R instead. i'm planning to get lighten flywheel down the road. how bad is turbo from gen3 kit on b16 anyway?
 

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better off gettin a turbo thats non bearing.
 

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Yes they do but that is only to make the turbo spool up so fast since you cant get that much power from it they try to introduce the idea of a turbo with a significant turbo lag which theorytically is not 100% possible b/c there is always lag but what the hell with a turbo that small and ball bearing options you cant tell there is lag... it is really usefull for bigger turbos though..
 

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I have a ceramic ball bearing turbo that has lasted for years of daily driving.

However, I think the ball bearing upgrade is one of those marginal things that is only worth it if you have done everything else and are just looking for that little extra bit of performance.
 

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It just helps it spool faster. Most of the studies done on turbo reliability on commercial trucks show no difference in reliability between bb turbos and non bb turbos. And, those guys put 100K+ miles per year on those things. The first major scheduled maintainance on a semi is at one million miles.
 
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