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Anyone actually bought one?
 

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i hope not!:p
 

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I've heard all kinds of weird things... supposedly all the emmisions things in it are really choking the hell out of the engine and your standard fare of bolt-ons bearly help it at all. I dunno for sure though, I don't actually have one myself and this is what I hear from my friends who have them.
 

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I have a 7th gen civic. I like the car, but there are a few things that I have found to be a pain in the ass compared to other generation civics. Every first year car has its querks and the 7th gen does too. That doesnt make it a bad car. I love my car. I had a 5th gen civic before and I gotta say that my 7th gen is a better car.
 

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Going by the stats the 7g civics is not all that desirable in my opinion let alone the looks which is crap. No doubt the quality is there (somewhere) but quality doesn't make the car go or pull faster....I would rather get the new Corolla, it costs less, has all the technology and is more powerful - better package. My 0.02.
 

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Speaking of toyotas, what does everybody think of the new matrix, Celica GTS engine, space, and it dosen't actually look all that bad(from the front anyways). It still wouldn't my first choice but I'd probably take it over a 7th gen. I have to admit the 7th gens have started to grow on me but I still think the 5th and 6th gens are the best looking, with the most overall potentional going to the 5th gens. It will be interesting to see how well the new SI is recieved despite all the negative feelings at the moment.
 

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The Si will be as good as the previous Sis in comparision to the entry level civics. If you want such powerful engines you goota pay for it and if the price is too high people will opt for other cars with the same price range.....this is what give Hondas away. They should take a look at Toyota and in particular the corolla where you get the same engine in all models.
 

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I didnt buy my civic for speed or performance. I bought it because I needed a new car and i only buy hondas. If I could of afforded the accord at the time I would of bought that, but I couldnt. All I did was tint the windows and get some 17's and the car is fine for me. You may not like the car and that is fine. it took a long time for the car to grow on me. I still do not like the back of the car but when do i see it anyway. My 7th gen gets great gas mileage, better than any other honda I have owned, and it also gets alot of looks.
 

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Yeah, at first I wasn't a big fan of the styling, but after seeing the kaminari (spelling?) kit on them, I changed my mind. also, i went up against one, he had 5spd, i'm an auto, and he took me (we had similar mods). they do have a wee bit more torque than us 6th gen's, right?
 

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I've heard all kinds of weird things... supposedly all the emmisions things in it are really choking the hell out of the engine and your standard fare of bolt-ons bearly help it at all. I dunno for sure though, I don't actually have one myself and this is what I hear from my friends who have them.
yeah that's true, i/h/e will only add 5-8 hp. it's obd3 i think. if you want performance on an 01+ civic you have to convert it to obd1 but then it might not pass emissions.
 

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yeah that's true, i/h/e will only add 5-8 hp. it's obd3 i think. if you want performance on an 01+ civic you have to convert it to obd1 but then it might not pass emissions
That's absolutely true! I unfortunately didn't know this until after i bought my 7th gen thats why im holdin out on any performance mods until someone finds a loophole to this and other companies start jumping on the R&D to get more gains.
 

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That's absolutely true! I unfortunately didn't know this until after i bought my 7th gen thats why im holdin out on any performance mods until someone finds a loophole to this and other companies start jumping on the R&D to get more gains.
like i said the "loophole" to this is converting it to obd1. i haven't heard of anybody doing this but i'm sure it's been done. the differences between 1, 2, and 3 is that each one adds more sensors to monitor emissions, so for example if your exhaust causes more emissions to exit the car the ecu will do something to counter that. that's why mods add so little hp on these civics. also the 00-01 gsr's are the same way; for example the greddy turbo kit designed for the 3gen gsr's doesn't work on 00-01 cause of that obd3 crap.
 

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just chillin said:

...the differences between 1, 2, and 3 is that each one adds more sensors to monitor emissions, so for example if your exhaust causes more emissions to exit the car the ecu will do something to counter that. that's why mods add so little hp on these civics. also the 00-01 gsr's are the same way; for example the greddy turbo kit designed for the 3gen gsr's doesn't work on 00-01 cause of that obd3 crap.
I was going to keep quiet, but this is getting silly. What the hell are you rambling about?

First of all, as early as 1980, numerous vehicles were using electronics and on-board computers to control many of the engine's control systems, such as fuel and ignition. Vehicle manufacturers had to develop ways to diagnose problems generated by the electronic hardware found under the hood. Thus, the first OBD systems were developed as electronic systems replaced mechanical systems. Is this what you want to go back to; a mish-mash of electro-mechanical controls???

Secondly, OBD II is different from OBD I only in that OBD II is strictly emissions oriented; it will illuminate the CEL whenever it detects a component/system malfunction that could cause emissions to exceed 1.5 times the federal test procedure standards.

Thirdly, OBD III hasn't been implemented yet, and probably never will be. Why? There seems to be some question as to the "suspicionless mass surveillance" of private property. There is no opportunity to confront or rebut the results with OBD III; no notice that the vehicle will be tested. Fourth Amendment search and seizure issues tend to arise.

Read what Michael McCarthy of CARB had to say about a recent OBD III prototype:

“We paid a contractor to build up a couple of mock cars with remote transmitting systems and demonstrate that it was technically feasible to have a system that sends out a remote transmittal when the check engine light comes on,” said McCarthy. “A pretty basic contract since there are already systems like On-Star and LoJack.”

“The concept is to stop requiring smog checks for every passing car and only test the failing cars. It would likely be a voluntary system - when you buy the car you could choose whether to go to smog check every two years or pay $xxx and never have to go to smog check,” said McCarthy. “You would, however, have to push a button on the dash once every three months that would send a signal that identifies your vehicle and the status of the check engine light. If you forgot to push the button you would probably get a letter in the mail telling you to press it or bring it in for inspection. If you pressed the button while the MIL [CEL] was on, you would probably get a letter in the mail saying you have 60 days [yeah right!] to correct the problem and press the button again. If the MIL [CEL] came on and you got it fixed before you pressed the button, you would never get any notice in the mail. There would not be a continuous signal identifying the location of the car or anything like that.”
This OBD III prototype system was built by GM Hughes Electronics, and uses a roadside transmitter to interrogate vehicles as they pass by. The system is reportedly capable of retrieving information from eight lanes of bumper-to-bumper traffic whizzing by at speeds up to 100-MPH.

Several issues surround the OBD III concept. From a regulatory perspective, all of the technologies used, other than roadside technology, require a Federal Communications Commission [FCC] license. The possibility of interference with other signals in the same band is of concern. The issues of commercial operators, law enforcement, jurisdiction among state agencies, Intelligent Vehicle Highway Systems, et cetera, have to be addressed before OBD III is a reality.

We're light-years away from OBD III. How about getting your facts straight next time... :rolleyes:
 
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