[MQTGSR]

ohhh so it was even shittier? god i remember my old saab back when they were saab owned and fuck that noise....american intervention actually helped. thanks for pointing that out lol

still gm > fuck-vo

as the saying goes, Volvo's are the sweedish car Saab owners aspire to. Sabbs while cool, yes, are un-reliable and difficult. I wouldn't wish one on anyone.

You still won't sell me on GM either. you're fighting a losing battle. I won't try to say volvo is > GM, because its all opinion and personal experience. Every GM experience I've had has been that they are cheap junk. I'll never drive/own one again if I get my say in it. Also, not too much in their current lineup excites me.

Not that I think ford's involvement in volvo was bad either, as you say, domestic intervention helped a lot, on both sides, ford gained a lot of engineering and safety knowledge, Volvo gained a lot of knowledge on what it takes to sell cars in the US market. I mean, the S60, C30, V70, all awesome cars.

and fords new lineup > anything GM has to offer in its line up.

And they didn't have to steal my money to fund their failing operations and are capable of running a successful buissness all by themselves without begging for uncle sam to save them.

 

[Darkness]

as the saying goes, Volvo's are the sweedish car Saab owners aspire to. Sabbs while cool, yes, are un-reliable and difficult. I wouldn't wish one on anyone.

You still won't sell me on GM either. you're fighting a losing battle. I won't try to say volvo is > GM, because its all opinion and personal experience. Every GM experience I've had has been that they are cheap junk. I'll never drive/own one again if I get my say in it. Also, not too much in their current lineup excites me.

Not that I think ford's involvement in volvo was bad either, as you say, domestic intervention helped a lot, on both sides, ford gained a lot of engineering and safety knowledge, Volvo gained a lot of knowledge on what it takes to sell cars in the US market. I mean, the S60, C30, V70, all awesome cars.

and fords new lineup > anything GM has to offer in its line up.

And they didn't have to steal my money to fund their failing operations and are capable of running a successful buissness all by themselves without begging for uncle sam to save them.

when did you ever think i was ever trying to sell you anything? you like shoe box's with clusterfuck dashboards and no sense of any kind of style. obviously our tastes are on different wavelengths mine being better than yours obviously :lmao and i said i hated my saab and i hate older volvo's.

ford just introduced half way decent shit worthwhile this year while gm had better shit for the past decade+. it took ford how long to come out with a high powered all motor v8 with some kind of economy..like 20 years? and now they introduce a v6 that is actually better than their v8? the mustang has been a joke since 1993 for example and now a taurus has more HP potential out of the box lol. i like both companies and ford exterior styling better, but i won't go so far as to say they produce a better overall product. granted sweedish products suck dick in general so....lesser of two evils?

 

[soldiermanny]

agian, you guys got me rolling! lol anywho here is some more of what i think is rice...

i could understand if you regularly hit up the track or do some autocross and what not. but if your just parking lot pimpin with all this to just show off, you are RICE!

 

[Darkness]

oh wow...that looks like some ghey shit that would come on a volvo

 

[MQTGSR]

yeah, they have like 6 sway bars, just for show :rolleyes

 

[MQTGSR]

You keep rocking your dashboard made from materials a 5 year old could have done a better job of sourcing and putting together, un-inspiring turds that do nothing well, except accel at mediocre-ness, which is what most of the GM lineup feels like to me. They don't have one strong trait that they're known for. Not to mention, break and fall apart quicker than my sweedish lunchbox, which even I find amazing. and quite clearly, no matter how you feel, they still fail at running a profitable business.

I will say in GM's defence that they've made a few decent engines, LS, ecotec, but thats about all the credit I'll give them.

 

[MQTGSR]

well either way, we clearly shouldn't care as we both don't drive domestic cars, and have euro boxes. You'rs just happens to have a better chassis, damn lack of RWD

 

[Darkness]

You keep rocking your dashboard made from materials a 5 year old could have done a better job of sourcing and putting together, un-inspiring turds that do nothing well, except accel at mediocre-ness, which is what most of the GM lineup feels like to me. They don't have one strong trait that they're known for. Not to mention, break and fall apart quicker than my sweedish lunchbox, which even I find amazing. and quite clearly, no matter how you feel, they still fail at running a profitable business.

I will say in GM's defence that they've made a few decent engines, LS, ecotec, but thats about all the credit I'll give them.

lt1 and entire ls-x motor series is lightweight, reliable, more power, better mpg and cheaper to fix anything volvo has ever put out. and most of the entry level gm's are market as cheap and as a result are cheap to fix. not an overpriced lunch box on wheels that isn't reliable and costs a first born child to fix. and i see nothing inspiring about a swedish rock on wheels

 

[Darkness]

well either way, we clearly shouldn't care as we both don't drive domestic cars, and have euro boxes. You'rs just happens to have a better chassis, damn lack of RWD

your forgot my light weight aluminum motor capable of 500rwhp on stock internals, or if you like n/a power, you can add some m3 cams tune and bolt-ons for a nice 40whp + gain while still getting 30 mpg highway. also my perfect 50/50 weight distribution

e36 sexy interior

 

[MQTGSR]

lt1 and entire ls-x motor series is lightweight, reliable, more power, better mpg and cheaper to fix anything volvo has ever put out. and most of the entry level gm's are market as cheap and as a result are cheap to fix. not an overpriced lunch box on wheels that isn't reliable and costs a first born child to fix. and i see nothing inspiring about a swedish rock on wheels

I get 32mpg if I drive it right obviously, its lightweight (the motor that is, the car is heavy, all the more amazement with its seemingly un-aerodynamic form, that it gets the mpg it does), all aluminum, decent power, more than most GM sedans at the time, if not all, and its not that expensive to fix, idk where that rumor comes from.

I've owned this car for over a year, and done quite a bit to it, and parts aren't an arm and a leg as everyone seems to think they are. Whats a CV for a honda, $90 bucks, same price same brand for an 850.

Brakes, no more expensive than any other car, exhaust, radiator, you name it, anything I've replaced has not been more expensive, or not much more expensive than any other car I've ever dealt with.

Never had any reliability issues either, other than the obvious, you modified it, issues that come from the car not being stock. Its a 15 year old car with over 160k, runs awesome, body is rust/defect free. All thats ever been done to it is regular maintenance and modding.

 

[soldiermanny]

can you post a pic of your so called "lego built dash" interior?

 

[Darkness]

I get 32mpg if I drive it right obviously, its lightweight (the motor that is, the car is heavy, all the more amazement with its seemingly un-aerodynamic form, that it gets the mpg it does), all aluminum, decent power, more than most GM sedans at the time, if not all, and its not that expensive to fix, idk where that rumor comes from.

I've owned this car for over a year, and done quite a bit to it, and parts aren't an arm and a leg as everyone seems to think they are. Whats a CV for a honda, $90 bucks, same price same brand for an 850.

Brakes, no more expensive than any other car, exhaust, radiator, you name it, anything I've replaced has not been more expensive, or not much more expensive than any other car I've ever dealt with.

Never had any reliability issues either, other than the obvious, you modified it, issues that come from the car not being stock. Its a 15 year old car with over 160k, runs awesome, body is rust/defect free. All thats ever been done to it is regular maintenance and modding.

umm it was expensive to fix at the time .....
.. your car is 15 years old of course it's cheaper now.....i can get a race clutch and flywheel for 500 for my car...hell i can get an m3 motor and trans for 1500 bucks...lol. new leather heated seats are 300 bucks bucks :lmao. or a race rad all aluminum with twin e-fans mounted for 389 shipped. fact is your car used to cost an arm and a leg to fix and isn't exactly. and any volvo built in the past 8-10 years is expensive to fix lol. what was the msrp on your car when it debuted?

 

[MQTGSR]

can you post a pic of your so called "lego built dash" interior?

here's mine, not the best angle, I guess, but gives you an idea:

I guess I don't have any issues with it, other than the fog light swich placement, which is kinda behind the wheel. Everything else is right there, easy to read, well made.

 

[Darkness]

here's mine, not the best angle, I guess, but gives you an idea:

I guess I don't have any issues with it, other than the fog light swich placement, which is kinda behind the wheel. Everything else is right there, easy to read, well made.

yeah that wood grain doesn't look cheap or outdated for it's time at all....:lmao some high quality stuff :hehe or the two tone steering wheel.

i'd rather have this

 

[MQTGSR]

umm it was expensive to fix at the time .....
.. your car is 15 years old of course it's cheaper now.....i can get a race clutch and flywheel for 500 for my car...hell i can get an m3 motor and trans for 1500 bucks...lol. new leather heated seats are 300 bucks bucks :lmao. or a race rad all aluminum with twin e-fans mounted for 389 shipped. fact is your car used to cost an arm and a leg to fix and isn't exactly. and any volvo built in the past 8-10 years is expensive to fix lol. what was the msrp on your car when it debuted?

any newer car getting fixed at a stealer-ship isn't cheap if you were to pay out of pocket without a warranty.

MSRP on mine was around 36k if I remember. Pretty expensive, but volvo's have never been cheap cars. The R more so mainly because in addition to the performance additions, it is the top tier trim with all the options, toys, power goodies ect. Which you pay for in any car. For its day it was completely loaded.

Any car in that category is bound to be expensive, you're 3 series wasn't cheap either, and its in a similar class of automobiles.

 

[soldiermanny]

here's mine, not the best angle, I guess, but gives you an idea:

I guess I don't have any issues with it, other than the fog light swich placement, which is kinda behind the wheel. Everything else is right there, easy to read, well made.

:dunno: i guess to each his own, i perfer my teg's! lol

 

[Darkness]

any newer car getting fixed at a stealer-ship isn't cheap if you were to pay out of pocket without a warranty.

MSRP on mine was around 36k if I remember. Pretty expensive, but volvo's have never been cheap cars. The R more so mainly because in addition to the performance additions, it is the top tier trim with all the options, toys, power goodies ect. Which you pay for in any car. For its day it was completely loaded.

Any car in that category is bound to be expensive, you're 3 series wasn't cheap either, and its in a similar class of automobiles.

so it's an overpriced turd. and who cares about the dealership. i said parts not labor. it was expensive to fix. 36K for obnoxious cheap interior and parts you have to import that are literally 80% more expensive than domestic parts while still getting the same if not worse gas mileage to much cheaper honda equivalents with better interior quality and ergonomic layout is rice....or should i say gourmet rice....:lmao 1996 accord with full leather interior 5 speed, nice dash layout, greater reliability/economy and cheaper repair costs ftw :-D

and eric knows i'm just fucking with him

never said my 3 series was cheap lol. it was 30K+ when it came out but i feel like you got more for your money with it.

 

[MQTGSR]

so do I, tegs interior is dope. The 240's fine too.

But we're comparing cars that are in no way related. Apples to oranges. I'll take my orange. All the talk of "when it was new" ect. is invalid. I've never owned this car since new, or any car, and I don't ever think I will. Just because of the cost.

Like I say to each their own, but marques just gets butthurt when I say I don't care for GM and feels the need to out post me/re edit his posts until he thinks he proves his point. :lol

I don't care, fuck its fun to drive a volvo and let people bring the hate, then realize I don't care all that much. Bottom line, the car today, has decent performance potential for what it is (still wish it was RWD tho )

And honestly, I've ridden in quite a few cars, this might be the most comfortable car I've ever been in, and its useful, economical, good in snow, has lots of space, is fun. Meets all my criteria, its a good car for me. I think maybe if haters drove one, they might not think its so bad. my .02

 

[Darkness]

i don't think gm > all. i just think you look down on other comparable products because you like your car. "Oh i hate new cars because it doesn't drive like my volvo", "i hate gm because my volvo is awesome and better made". and when it was new is a valid argument since you are talking about comparable gm's from the same generation. your car is in no way shape or form special impressive nor was it leagues of ahead of anything at anytime other than being overpriced to fix(when new) much like my current bmw. i do understand your love for your car but i feel like you have a tendency to think it's better than what it really is...as much as you make fun of it for being an overweight fwd pig (no it being turbo doesn't make up for anything except increased understeer.

but i do just like fucking with you and i know you like fucking with me.

i've just never had a love for volvo's and b16's......

my car suites my criteria, fwd, cheap aftermarket, kind of ugly(nobody fucks with it or wants to steal it) and great on gas.

 

[Darkness]

P.S. BEST INTERIOR EVER IS THE Dc2 hands down