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I live in Ohio (US), and i have some questions about street legal/illigal gear.

FACTS: car- dayly driver, street/event racer, some track. I have a stock 98LX and i'm planing (ahem...saving up) for a H22/h22a transplant with LSD and after market axelsand if a far future turbocharging and NOSing the set up. and before the transplant i'm ging to add Apexi's N1 coilover system (for traction).

Questions:
are swaps with older (years) engines legal?
what emision controll parts should i add/leave to pass echeck?
are JDM/USDM engines streetlegal in US?
are turbo's+accesories legal?
are boost timers, EMS, guages...etc legal?
are fiberhoods legal?
are catbacks with ECV's streetlegal?
i wouldnot think, but is passing e(mition)check harder?
ne websites that can help me with my questions?
any other trics and tips?
any stories of runins with cops and having non-treetlegal gear?
anyone from ohio, or to be presice from North or Northeast Ohio? cleveland?


i dont mean to be a winer but i dont want to spend 20grand on a car and then be ordered by court to remove all the a/m parts :((

thanx in advance!!!
 

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i dont know the laws in ohio but i live in IL and.. when i did a swap, all it came down to is if it passed emissions.. the sniffer.. i dont know if your state has visual inspection or what not.. but bottom line around here is if it can pass the sniffer you'll be ok.. they always say Carbon hoods are for off road use only because i dont think they can survive crashes as well and oem stuff..
 

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carbon fiber hoods actually dont get hot..........and as for you legality i kno that in california it is ILLEGAL to swap a motor older then your car, you will need all emissions control devices for the motor in your engine bay (ECU, CAT...ect).....JDM motor= AUTOMATIC FAIL...some turbo kits are such as a greddy kit but a DRAG kit...etc are not legal.........gauges do not matter.......hoods do not matter........the question about the catback with ECV, i am not sure about that.....in california if you have a motor that was never originally installed in your car in the US, without certification from the BAR you will AUTOMATICALLY FAIL emissions tests.......
 

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ok i looked arownd and i found this: this should help all of the ohioans :-d--->



an engine-switched vehicle, the original engine has been replaced with a different engine. This different engine may have been offered in the same model year as that vehicle or it may be from another year or manufacturer.

Engine-switched vehicles are tested by the model year in which the vehicle was titled because the vehicle was certified to meet emission requirements for that year.

These vehicles must meet the inspection requirements for the titled model year, including the tampering portion of the test. If older, less clean technology is put into a vehicle, it decertifies the vehicle, promotes poor performance, and violates the Clean Air Act.

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Establishment of engine-switching procedures
U.S.EPA established engine-switching procedures to comply with the federal Clean Air Act. The following is an excerpt from U.S. EPA's Engine-Switching Fact Sheet:

"A 'certified configuration' is an engine or engine-chassis design which has been 'certified' (approved) by EPA prior to the production of vehicles with that design. Generally, the manufacturer submits an application for certification of the designs of each engine or vehicle it proposes to manufacture prior to production. The application includes design requirements for all emission related parts, engine calibrations, and other design parameters for each different type of engine (in heavy-duty vehicles), or engine-chassis combination (in light-duty vehicles). EPA then 'certifies' each acceptable design for use in vehicles of the upcoming model year.

"For light-duty vehicles, installation of a light-duty engine into a different light-duty vehicle by any person would be considered tampering unless the resulting vehicle is identical (with regards to all emission related parts, engine design parameters, and engine calibrations) to a certified configuration of the same or newer model year as the vehicle chassis, or if there is a reasonable basis for knowing that the emissions are not adversely affected as described in Memo 1A*. The appropriate source for technical information regarding the certified configuration of a vehicle of a particular model year is the vehicle manufacturer.

"For heavy-duty vehicles, the resulting vehicle must contain a heavy-duty engine which is identical to a certified configuration of a heavy-duty engine of the same model year or newer as the year of the installed engine. Under no circumstances, however, may a heavy-duty engine ever be installed in a light-duty vehicle."

Model 1A is a federal document that allows the use of aftermarket parts on vehicle emission systems.

Despite these clear guidelines, proper engine switches are uncommon. Usually, a 1980's vehicle has had a 1970's motor installed because of availability and cost. Such a vehicle has been decertified and will likely fail an emissions test.

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Rebuilt Vehicles
A rebuilt vehicle was given a salvage certificate of title and has since been refurbished and passed the Ohio State Highway Patrol Inspection. This vehicle type can be titled in the model year that the majority of the parts are from or that matches the outward appearance of the vehicle. This vehicle type can also be titled with the original year and Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) but will have a notation that is was salvaged.

Rebuilt vehicles are tested according to their titled model year because they were certified to meet emission requirements for that year (if the vehicle is assigned a new VIN by the Ohio State Highway Patrol, it will be treated as a self-assembled vehicle). These vehicles met emissions standards when manufactured but were later salvaged. When an individual makes a rebuilt vehicle road-worthy, it also needs to be emissions-worthy.

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Gray-Market Vehicles
A gray-market vehicle was built for sale and use in another country and later imported into the United States. There may or may not be a U.S. EPA certified version of the vehicle. These vehicles either recieved an "Import Waiver" from U.S. EPA and U.S. Customs or were retrofitted with emissions equipment to meet emissions standards for that model year. Even if a vehicle has been issued a U.S. EPA Import Waiver, the vehicle is not exempt from applicable state or local emission requirements. These conditions are stated directly on most import waivers (usually the third paragraph).

Gray-market vehicles are tested by their model year because the importer chose to either bring the vehicle into compliance with U.S. standards or to receive waivers and accept the stipulated conditions when the vehicle was brought to the U.S. Gray-market vehicles are required to meet the same emissions standards as a U.S. certified version of the vehicle from the same year. If the U.S. EPA certified version of this vehicle has a catalytic converter, the gray-market vehicle will be required to have a catalytic converter (or sealing gas cap, air pump and air system, evaporative system, etc.). If there is no U.S. EPA certified version, the vehicle shall, at a minimum, have a catalytic converter and a sealing gas cap if the manufacturer used that strategy on a comparable, same-year U.S. EPA certified model that fits the same vehicle class. If the vehicle has no comparable U.S. version, the U.S. EPA shall be consulted as to whether a catalytic converter would have been installed on the vehicle upon importation to conformity with Federal emissions requirements.

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Self-Assembled Vehicles and Kit Cars
A self-assembled vehicle is made from parts of other automobiles or from aftermarket parts. A self-assembled vehicle is titled in the year in which it is brought to the Ohio State Highway Patrol for inspection. It is assigned a VIN by the patrol. The self-assembled vehicle can be considered "homemade" and some are titled that way.

A kit car also is titled in the model year in which it is inspected by the Ohio Highway Patrol. Kit cars often include dune buggies and fiberglass body replicas. Kit cars are like self-assembled vehicles except they are usually fiberglass bodies and come with instructions for assembly.

Kit cars and self-assembled vehicles are tested according to the titled year unless the engine year can be confirmed. This confirmation of engine year is the responsibility of the vehicle owner. The proof should be a letter from the dealer or manufacturer of the engine. Other forms of proof will be considered on a case by case basis.

Once the engine year is documented, schedule an appointment with the local Ohio EPA E-Check field office by calling 1-614-644-3059. Arrangements will be made for you to meet with an Ohio EPA representative at a designated location. You will need to bring your documentation and the vehicle with you. It is helpful if you can point out where the engine block casting number is located.

If your vehicle's engine year is within the scope of the emissions testing program, you will be given a form that allows the vehicle to be tested using the proper standards for that engine year. You will need to present this at the testing site each time the vehicle is tested.

If your vehicle's confirmed engine year is too old to fit into the scope of the emissions testing program, you will be given a permanent exemption.



Additional questions? Call 1-614-644-3704
 

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your car is a light duty vehicle.....ex of a heavy duty vehicle.....a big ass ford truck with a huge v8 diesel engine
 

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so what do these 2 paragraphs mean for my h22a swap from an 98+ lude? and as far as i can tell it didnt mention nething bout turbos/nos/etc...


someone clarifi...please

thnx in advance!!


ohio e-chek reference site : http://www.epa.state.oh.us/dapc/mobile.html
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"A 'certified configuration' is an engine or engine-chassis design which has been 'certified' (approved) by EPA prior to the production of vehicles with that design. Generally, the manufacturer submits an application for certification of the designs of each engine or vehicle it proposes to manufacture prior to production. The application includes design requirements for all emission related parts, engine calibrations, and other design parameters for each different type of engine (in heavy-duty vehicles), or engine-chassis combination (in light-duty vehicles). EPA then 'certifies' each acceptable design for use in vehicles of the upcoming model year.

"For light-duty vehicles, installation of a light-duty engine into a different light-duty vehicle by any person would be considered tampering unless the resulting vehicle is identical (with regards to all emission related parts, engine design parameters, and engine calibrations) to a certified configuration of the same or newer model year as the vehicle chassis, or if there is a reasonable basis for knowing that the emissions are not adversely affected as described in Memo 1A*. The appropriate source for technical information regarding the certified configuration of a vehicle of a particular model year is the vehicle manufacturer.
 

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IN CALIFORNIA ANYTHING THAT COULD CHANGE YOUR EMISSIONS IS ILLEGAL UNLESS IT HAS A CARB E.O. NUMBER...........NITROUS IS ILLEGAL
 

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alrighty, this is how it goes in cincinnati. and it's the same everywhere in ohio.

all of the body styling things can be done, people run around with it EVERY DAY. the only things that people have gotten tickets for with their modified car are:

no license plate in the front-

car is too low- the headlights have to be 22 inches from the ground(but no cop ever checks this unless he catches a group of you and feels like being a prick) by the way.... fuck the police:)

having any type of colored lights like neons inside the car(which i would hope you wouldnt have anyway cause they are GAY) or colored turn signals(the above statement also applies).

cops never check what you got under the hood... they don't know any better.
in cali, the cops are trained to look for that kinda stuff, but we're in ohio and frankly they're all retarded. as long as the car is registered there will be no problem. and if they ask to look under the hood they prolly are a tuner too and just wants to see your handy work.
as for emisions, my friend passed with his B18b (integra LS) swap in his 91 si. he said it was runnin like shit and i dont even think he had a cat. unless you are doing internals or seriously screwing with the fuel ratio etc. you will pass.
when you do the turbo you will need to get a carb certified system because turbos or any forced induction can make you fail. but until then, don't worry about it...............everything you wrote is do-able. so relax and do the swap:)
 

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Were in cinci are u? I've made a run down there couple of times...Totaly dig the city. it stops and kills clevo :D ! Too bad i havent seen any hooked up cars what so ever, but atleast ya graffiti sceen is off tha hook! and also what i have noticed that the only time I've seen pigs (FTP!) around is wen they enter or leave the pig pan (police station) - not the case like that in cleveland - if u've spent more then 3 minutes on the street and havent seen an oinker ride by they must be on sum majour drug raid or a multiple homoside in 2-3 square miles of yer area (fact!). But u ride here on O-HI-O they are too stupid to open the hood and understand wuts under it :D - they just like to randomly shoot at inosent ppl and scream that their life is in danger - fuck that!

neway if u have AIM or AOL - here's my sn : VeZiR411 - give me a holla - maby we can hook up and chase sum pigs around ;)
 

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word, the riots were a joke. I agreed and i thought the cop should have been put away for life cause it was some bull sh*t. BUT i think the riots shouldn't have went down. its just fuggin ignorance, makin cincy look bad. any who im down on the eastside of town right off rt 50. i had no idea the graffiti scene was popular here but thats fuggin cool. our import scene around here is startin to get biiiig. but anywho i wouldnt worry about your isht, they're not gonna bug you.
 

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u ever heard of this place called "Anie's"? thats were SCRIBBLE JAM goesdown every early august. One of the best HipHop and Graffiti expos in the WORLD! Graffiti writers all ove the contry and the world come down there anualy. U should introduce import sceene to the show! I'm prolly gona be there b4 that...posibly on springbreak b4 going down to ATL so .

here are flix of the SJ2002 - http://artcrimes.com/cinci/cinci_1.html


I agree on the riots being bullshit. I mean here last 9 month oinkers killed 10 ppl - i mean wtf??!! and even then we didnt have riots here. Wen i came back from cinci and tolled couple of ppl in clevo were i went...they were like "...Man u lucky as fuck u didnt get shot there... i was like ""why?" and they say "there are like mad racizm goin on there and shit". Thats fucking bullshit! Pll in cicni are way down to earth - be they black white or whatever other race. Media gives horible reps to places based on the actions of the few and then ppl are scared to go there. thats fucking crap!


oh yea... just cause i went all off topic in this conversation mods should close this thread and maby posibly put the link of ohio's echeck policy for who ever will need it in a sticky (come to think of it as there have been so many questions but legality mods should draw up a stikie that covers that and add links and notes for different states.
 
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