honda mtf is really good... honda mtf is still really good...
Look, Honda oil sucks! I've ridden Honda M/C for years. I still own three of them. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, uses Honda oil in their M/C's. I run Castrol GTX 20W50 dino juice in my 4-stroke Honda and Bel-Ray MC-1 [@ 50:1] in my 2-strokes.
Honda tells you to run motor oil in their 2-stroke M/C trannies too. Nobody does. That is, nobody smart. Smart ppl run Dexron ATF in Honda M/C trannies. This "use Honda oil only" mentality exists in Honda automotive
Rice-boy logic: DUH! Honda knows what they're doing. Honda makes good engines and trannies. Honda recommends that you use their factory juices. Therefore, Honda oil is the best. OMG!!! What a bunch of morons...
While there are other API GL-4
syn gearbox lubes out there that will work okay in your Honda, like Neo 75W-90 HD; Red Line MTL and MT-90 are the generally regarded as the best choice
for Honda CiViC's.
Honda MTF, which nobody knows what it is [gear oil? motor oil? pig fat?], sells for $3.25/qt. Red Line gear lubes sell for $7.95/qt.
Based on the accepted fact that, "You get what you pay for," which would you guess is REALLY, REALLY good???