Turbo 101

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JAYMAN320

Discussion Starter · Sep 20, 2002

Haha..havent been to this side of SHO yet

Anyways, straight to the point...Im goin to the darkside(FI)

I need to know the basics of things ie;

-what turbo should I consider with my setup?....Differences in t3/t4 or any other

-Fuel managment? What should I take into consideration? When boost is applied how should I go about with ignition timing?

-Whats a cheap setup...when compared to a moderate/all out setup?

-Intercoolers? BOV? Missing Link? What necessary hardware do I need inorder to achieve a reliable daily-driven turbo motor? I dont want to blow-up:dstar:

-Valvetrain...Crower FI cams? Already bought em, what tuning basics/tips should I keep in mind?

Thanks in advance...links to sites would also be helpful.

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dug

· #2 · Sep 20, 2002

theres soo many different options you could go with... how much are you looking to spend?

here's a pretty good link...
http://coolazz.tripod.com/turbo.html

JAYMAN320

Discussion Starter · #3 · Sep 20, 2002

im looking to spend 35-4500...hows that? Any more and Im back to N/A

uoboarder

· #4 · Sep 20, 2002

JAYMAN320 said:
im looking to spend 35-4500...hows that? Any more and Im back to N/A

That site that Dug gave is the one I've been following. I've kind of modeled my custom kit after what that site says and I've spent about 2k so far. Of course I've gotten some really nice things. Including a brand new T3/T04E. The T3/T04E is a great maximum performance/weekend warrior turbo capable of boosting 20psi easily. For the money you're willing to spend you'll have a great set-up.

Are you going to build your bottom end? Forged pistons and rods right? If so just go JE 9:1 with Darton ductile iron sleeves and Eagle Rods. You know the usual for a strong bottom end.

Here's my opinion and I've been doing a lot of turbo application and some pretty specific turbo research in the past 5 months.
Most importantly, just get a Hondata 3b with at least 440cc injectors (for around 10psi). This will give you the best tuning capability and a sure fire way of protecting your engine. Going this route you'll avoid the FMU, Missing Link check valve, VAFC, and the question in the back of your mind...what if something goes wrong with _________?

Of course Hondata just announced their new line: s200 series which probably by the time you're ready to put your turbo on it will be available. Just go to hondata.com and read everything you can on everything they've listed on their site.

As far as a kit. RevHard stage 2 all the way. Drag Gen 3 if you must, but the RevHard manifold flows better for the B series. Get the RevHard kit (cause it'll save you time from getting each piece like I did), sell the things I mentioned above, and get your Hondata. Dyno the puppy after your engine break-in and push 18psi and you'll be hitting 400 whp.

There was a B20/VTEC turbo in the Dec. 2000 issue of SCC. He ran 12.5 psi and hit 362 whp, and 261 lb/ft.

Just get a Hondata for sure. I am.

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JAYMAN320

Discussion Starter · #5 · Sep 21, 2002

Thanks..the link was very informative. Anything else...I know theres some educated people in this forum

dug

· #6 · Sep 21, 2002

JAYMAN320 said:
Thanks..the link was very informative. Anything else...I know theres some educated people in this forum

well... are you lookig to buy a kit, go with a custom set up, any kind of nice engine management, building the engine any? how much are you planning on boosting? what engine do you have?
list a basic overall of what your planning on doing, i'm sure people with chime in with there opinions...

Mafioso

· #7 · Sep 21, 2002

i was planning on buying the greddy kit bcuz i've heard good things bout it and people say u should only go t03/04 if ur not going to do every day driving bcuz it takes a while to spool.. someone was saying the small turbo with the greddy kit is good but i was planning on trying to run 10-12 psi after i upgrade my fuel system and build up my motor..

dug

· #8 · Sep 21, 2002

Greddy - MSRP $3,149.00
Includes the following:
Cast Mani
downpipe
internally wastegated turbo
FCU
320 cc inj
piping
Intake air filter assembly
hoses oil lines and misc. hardware

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Drag - list price 3,499.00
Includes the follwing:
Drag High flow 4 into 1 cast iron turbo exhaust manifold
Turbonetics T4/T3 TO4E High flow turbocharger assembly
Turbonetics Delta gate Mark II Wastegate (7 PSI Spring)
Drag High Flow front mount intercooler w/
polished cast aluminum end tanks
Greddy Type S Blow off valve
Drag mandrel bent high flow chrome plated pipes
Drag mandrel bent high flow exhaust down pipe
Drag wastegate dump tube assembly
Drag Blue silicone hose and hose clamps
Drag High pressure/High volume inline fuel pump
Drag Boost dependent FMU fuel regulator
Intake air filter assembly
Map sensor bypass valves
Stainless steel braided oil feed line w/ fittings
Oil return assembly
All necessary hardware and fittings
All necessary hose and hose clamps
All necessary gaskets
Installation manual
works with automatic or manual transmission.
works with air conditioning.

greddy might spool faster.. but for the money you spend on there kit, it's not worth it

Mafioso

· #9 · Sep 21, 2002

what about all the bad things I hear about drag and rev hard.. not street legal.. cracking manifolds.. i can get the greddy kit for 1800 and then get anything else I'll need for 10 bucks over wholesale.. so that's not a big worry.. i just heard alot of bad things about drag and rev hard..

hawjdude

· #10 · Sep 21, 2002

just go search around and do what you like. FI is nice.

hawjdude

· #11 · Sep 21, 2002

Mafioso said:
what about all the bad things I hear about drag and rev hard.. not street legal.. cracking manifolds.. i can get the greddy kit for 1800 and then get anything else I'll need for 10 bucks over wholesale.. so that's not a big worry.. i just heard alot of bad things about drag and rev hard..

Is cracking manifolds true? how long will it take until it cracks. hasn't happen to me yet.

uoboarder

· #12 · Sep 21, 2002

I was thinking Jayman, if you used that site that Dug gave as a model for your own kit I think you'd be fine. If I had it to do over again and build my kit this is what I would do if I was in your shoes. Not including what you'll do to the block...

Get yourself:
-Hondata 3b, 4b, or the new s200 series with options of your choice and including boost
-At least 440cc injectors with the clips
-New or nearly unused FMIC
-RevHard manifold
-Tial or Turbonetics WG
-TurboXS Type H BOV or a GReddy Type S
-Oil lines
-Charge pipes
-Moroso Oil Pan
-Walbro 255lph intank fuel pump
-Lastly, a new turbo

For you since you want high hp and fast time slips a Garrett T3/T04E with Compressor specs .50 a/r, 50 trim T04E Turbine specs .82 a/r, 76 trim T31. With this turbo boost will onset at about 2500 rpm and will be at full boost by 3500-4500 rpm and good for at least 300+ hp. This turbo on a 1800-2200cc engine will be sweet. It won't be fast spooling, but it'll be sweet!

Spend a few hours on the dyno with your Hondata and have a well tuned engine that gets 30+ mpg, stock idle, and perfect tunning.

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civperc

· #13 · Sep 21, 2002

no matter what set-up you get, jayman, make sure you get Hondata 2b or above. Hondata = superb tuning results, which in turn equals much more reliability (no blown engine because of FI) and more power.

JAYMAN320

Discussion Starter · #14 · Sep 21, 2002

sweet, thanks guys...Im growing much respect for this forum and its people.

Thanks

J.

flip1199

· #15 · Sep 21, 2002

Well since u wanna spend between 35-4500 i thought might like this option.

Pick the parts u want Turbo Kit

This way u get all the parts u want and won't be stuck with the parts u don't want. Hope this helps.

KiddEng

· #16 · Sep 22, 2002

flip1199 said:
Well since u wanna spend between 35-4500 i thought might like this option.

Pick the parts u want Turbo Kit

This way u get all the parts u want and won't be stuck with the parts u don't want. Hope this helps.

for ur price range this is the best option that i've seen...swap some of the parts in the options and u got a pretty decent setup for ur range.
boosting is fun i'll never go back to NA!!!
love that BOV

skibbs

· #17 · Sep 22, 2002

Jayman check your PM

skibbs

· #18 · Oct 3, 2002

Thanks for the praise guys!

I just got a beefier internet connection though and the URL has changed. It is now http://216.231.44.40/index.php?site=dsp_customTurboKit or you can visit us at www.ks-motorsports.com. We are currently working on an online store that will have everything from online shopping carts to credit card transactions, I'll keep you all posted... It's a massive undertaking! Good luck Jayman

Just PM me if the custom kit sounds like somethin up your alley
Matt

skibbs

· #19 · Oct 3, 2002

Mafioso said:
what about all the bad things I hear about drag and rev hard.. not street legal.. cracking manifolds.. i can get the greddy kit for 1800 and then get anything else I'll need for 10 bucks over wholesale.. so that's not a big worry.. i just heard alot of bad things about drag and rev hard..

Once you put a Blow Off valve and an intercooler on that greddy kit, it ain't street legal anymore

In stock trim, it will be pretty weak... The Greddy kit is very limited in both parts and performance potential. Just find a setup that works with your goals. PM me if you have more questions

MatT3T4

· #20 · Oct 3, 2002

Is $3500-$4500 the max you want to spend on everything? If that's the case, then I would suggest you invest your money in nitrous oxide. You can pick up a nitrous kit, with ALL options, for around $1000. With the rest of the money, you can purchase ignition and fuel upgrades you will need, a tuning device, and maybe some light headwork.

When you are on a budget, strict or not, you ALWAYS have to consider your options. In short, you will blow the motor one day. It is going to happen. Will you have the money to take care of it when it does?

I've been through every scenario you can imagine, so my opinion, now, is that a turbocharged daily driver isn't the best option for someone on a budget. It can work, don't get me wrong, but you need to hear all sides of the equation.

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