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i am going turbo hopefully in the next 6 months, i have cai, exhaust, would it be fine to get a apexi vafc? and also do i need a fuel pressure regulator from like B&M or whoever or does the greddy turbo kit come with one? i have a 98 gsr by the way
 

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First of all dont get a greddy turbo kit. Too much money and it dont come with jack ****. Do yourself a favor and get the Drag kit or revhard. Plus you will have extra money to spend on tuning or maybe a hondata. You wont really need the fpr....the drag kit comes with what you need. Dont bother paying the money for the vafc, just save a little bit more money to get a hondata 2b.
 

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Hey dualstage,
I agree with azkk, I myself wanted a greddy, but I did my research and at this moment I have a DRAG gen. 3 coming in the mail. And you could use that Apex controller if you would want but I think it would be a waste. Because if your really serious about tunning your gonna want something more than just altering your fuel curve. Your gonna need something that was ment for turbo'd cars. Adjustable spark and fuel curves, knock sensor, spark retard, etc. Im looking at the new easy to use AEM unit, but i heard it was a bit pricey.
Good luck,
Ken
 

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hmm, but what if im not going to like tune like crazy, im basically just gonna slap on a greddy or drag, which ever one is the most reliable and just go, im not gonna excede over 15 psi, all thats gonna happen down the road is low cr pistons,rods, and like getting it sleeved, and few other things, and thats it, im not gonna get like cams or get too hardcore, so would it still be necessary for like a hondata, cuz honestly im not that good at tuning, like even the v-afc im gonna come to you guys and ask for advice, but its gonna be like 6 months before i get the turbo, right now i just have cai and exhaust
 

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there is no such thing as slap on a turbo. That is just plain dumb. If your gonna go as far as purchasing a turbo, why not do i right? I guarentee that you will not be satisfied with the stock booost setting. Take out word for it.
 

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mmm..... the greddy kit is not as bad as people said, yeah it doesnt come with an intercooler , but its still making respectable power with out it , plus its the only kit out there that can pass carb:)
 

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alright thanx azkk,im doing what you and what everyone else is saying, but damn that blue screen apexi v-afc sure looks tight, oh well, i rather spend 400 bucks on a dvd to look at, not, alright so hondata when i get to tuning it its
 

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I agree...if you really got the extra cash and get a drag or revhard kit, when you get the kit sell the vortech fmu and get some injectors and a hondata stage 2b then go get it tuned. If you are serious about a hondata right now is the right time to get it. If you check over at honda tech they are having a sick group buy for any stage hondata. A damn vafc doesnt even come close to a stand alone. 15psi is a lot of damn boost. You're going to need good tuning to run double digits of boost especially if you have a b18c. You shouldnt be doing your own tuning. Take it to a dyno facility where someone knows how to do it right. A vafc is pretty expensive especially when you can get a hondata 2b for 550. Honestly, i think you need to do some serious reading up on turbos and hondas.
Lablue: Its not carb legal w/ an intercooler or bov. W/o those the kit is ass and even with em its top end is still lacking. But some people love that quick spool up and mid range pull.
 

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Etylorcen, well said. I wanted to say the same things, just couldnt get it out.

also IMO, the greddy turbo looks like a lil toy :p Its soo small and dainty.
 

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okay etylorcen, i have lookin at turbo archives for a while now, i am just getting added input, you are repeating what numerous people have said to me, thats why i didnt ask you for that question because it was already answered, i knew i needed a hondata 2b a long time ago, i was jus checkn to see if a vafc would work, dont flatter yourself
 

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Its not like im trying to be an ass or anything but Im just trying to tell you how to do it the right way so you dont go and blow your motor. Vafc is just a band aid solution. You might as well do it right the first time and save yourself some money.
 

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azkk00 said:
Etylorcen, well said. I wanted to say the same things, just couldnt get it out.

also IMO, the greddy turbo looks like a lil toy :p Its soo small and dainty.
wow a TD05-18g is too small? :) lolz do you even know what youre talking about? the turbo can push 350hp with ease :)
 

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hehe yes i knoe waht im talkin about. the turbo just looks too small and is too small to push high psi. If you boost higher, the lil turbo is gonna produce mad heat. I dont knoe of too many people running 350 whp with a greddy turbo kit. Plus doesnt that kinda eliminate the streel legality? kind of pointless to buy a greddy kit if your looking for numbers like that. :)
 

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hehe yes i knoe waht im talkin about. the turbo just looks too small and is too small to push high psi. If you boost higher, the lil turbo is gonna produce mad heat. I dont knoe of too many people running 350 whp with a greddy turbo kit. Plus doesnt that kinda eliminate the streel legality? kind of pointless to buy a greddy kit if your looking for numbers like that. :)
lolz you have no idea what youre talking about do you? :) the turbo LOOKS SMALL? :) not exactly factual material :) consider this, a TD05-16g have a flow rate of 505cfm at 15psi :) a TD05-18g (the one use in the greddy kit ):) flows more than 100cfm MORE THAN that :), thats mean that its capable of pushing 18psi CONSTANTLY:) yeah its kinda pointless if youre gonna turning up the boost the lose the carb legality, but to say the turbo is small and too small to push hihg psi is wrong :)
 

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hehe ok i guess my arguement remains in the cost and legality. All I knoe is that I like my t3/t04e. And when I said it looks small, that is a personal preference. I knoe that it flows a lot of cfm, but since the drag turbo is bigger, dont it flow more cfm? That is my tech question, not trying to argue with you. You smile a lot
 

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hehe ok i guess my arguement remains in the cost and legality. All I knoe is that I like my t3/t04e. And when I said it looks small, that is a personal preference. I knoe that it flows a lot of cfm, but since the drag turbo is bigger, dont it flow more cfm? That is my tech question, not trying to argue with you. You smile a lot
well if its the cost then i have to say , the greddy kit is kinda expensive , consider its the same cost as a drag or a revhard kit , with out a intercooler :) , but as i said , if you want carb legality its the only way to go :)
 

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Dont get into the greddy vs t3/t4 kits. But if you think that the greddy kit is efficient at high rpms and high boosts then youre sadly mistaken. Check out the flow charts that that turbo...you'll see how poorly it really does perform in the top end.
 

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That is what I was thining the whole time.
 

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Etylorcen said:
Dont get into the greddy vs t3/t4 kits. But if you think that the greddy kit is efficient at high rpms and high boosts then youre sadly mistaken. Check out the flow charts that that turbo...you'll see how poorly it really does perform in the top end.
is 1bar enough boost for you? a greddy turbo is efficient up to 15psi, im looking the dyno of a gsr with the new greddy turbo kit :) at 8psi ,the car continue making power all the way till the rev limiter kick in , :) it end up puting down 250+whp , thats pretty good for a small and inefficient turbo imo :)
 
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